The_Tempest
Emmy, let's get your take on the duel and your commentary on the current controversy: Sidious, determined killer or sadistic prankster?
Originally posted by Eminence
The last stretch is a high point for Maul, but it's obvious that Sidious comfortably dictates the terms of engagement from beginning to end. Hard to quibble about the details when I know there's a book out there I haven't read.
The scans of the book's account were posted six months back.
I cannot sift through his posts, they are many and... involved.
It was the greatest brawl ever, the culmination (for now?) of a young and grand tradition, but Pre Vizsla's last stand was a duel in the truest sense and it was beautiful. And Maul's growl at the beginning, it shall be classic.
obvi, Sidious and Yoda are head and shoulders above their contemporaries, and I want to pun that because they're actually both pretty short.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Sidious vs Maul & Opress. The 2 on 1 fight only:[b]”Sidious retrieved a pair of elegant-looking lightsabers from within the depths of his robes and ignited them. The blades turned his pale face a hellish red.
Maul and Savage didn’t waste time seeking an advantageous position. They simply charged, blades humming, trying to overpower Sidious with the animal ferocity of their attack. Sidious caught their sabers on his, the weapons howling and crackling where they touched. Maul saw that Savage was startled by the seemingly frail man’s enormous strength.
Maul stared at his Master’s face. He saw the strain as Sidious called upon the Force to keep the brothers at bay. But there was something else there, too- a terrible pleasure. Sidious began to grin.
The three-pronged duel between Sidious, and Maul and Savage had moved, like some deadly ballet, from the throne room to the steps of the palace. Sidious’s lightsabers twirled swiftly and elegantly, turning aside the furious blows Maul and Savage rained down upon him as the three Sith leapt ans spun.”Then Maul remembers his past with Sidious and how he got to this point. Included in that is how he’s more powerful in the dark side now than he was at the time of TPM.
The fight continues:”But strong as he had become, Maul found himself in awe of Sidious. The Sith Lord was astonishingly fast and efficient, and the Force flowed through him effortlessly. His sabers stabbed and slashed through the smallest hole in an opponent’s guard, his movements never carried him a millimetre out of position, and he could sense every attack Maul or Savage made before it developed.
Maul tried to slash past Sidious’s guard, only to find his Master had given ground, causing Maul to extend his arms too far and leave himself slightly unbalanced. It was the smallest stumble, easily corrected, but Sidious saw it- and pounced before Maul could draw himself back. Snarling, he reached out with the Force and slammed Maul against the wall, leaving him lying stunned in a heap.”[/B]
I could post the Sidious vs Opress and Sidious vs Maul but they're just so different I don't see the point.
Sidious just stabs Opress without any clash of Sabers and Maul only uses only 1 Saber in the final fight and is just desperately defending himself and it sounds like he hardly lasts a few seconds.
They both basically get speed blitzed in the novel's version of the One on One's.
What the clearly non-canon parts? Lol Ok but your the one who always argues to ignore the parts of the ROTS novel that don't happen despite the fact that particular novel was line edited by Lucas.
Anyway Sidious vs Opress:
Originally posted by DARTH POWER[b] "Savage knew the dangers of facing the Sith Lord alone, and pressed the attack before Sidious could draw his hand back from Force-shoving Maul into the wall. Teeth bared, Savage windmilled his double saber, hoping to disarm Sidious or force him to the ground. If he did, that would allow the yellow-and-black Zabrak to follow his initial attack with a lightning-quick thrust that would penetrate Sidious's defenses and wound or even kill him.
Maul tried to shake off his attack, rocketing up from the floor. Sidious neatly side-stepped Savage's assault, drawing back as the massive Zabrak raised his double-bladed saber high to try to pummel im with it.
Savage didn't think Sidious was fast enough to take advantage of the brief opening in his defenses but he was wrong."
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It continues:
Sidious rammed one of his blades through Savage’s black armor, the glowing crimson tip of the saber appearing between his shoulder blades. Savage gasped, his saber tumbling from his grasp. Sidious yanked his weapon back and Savage seemed to hang suspended for the moment, as if he were being levitated with the Force. Then he crashed to the ground.
Sidious vs Maul:
Sidious raised his saber and flew at Maul, who parried desperately, his mechanical legs whirring as he sought to counter his former Master’s blows. Sidious’s sabers were a blur, a whirling cage of deadly plasma. Maul danced away from one blow, then reversed his movement to avoid another, and then there were too many to count, and then there were even more than that.
Maul’s saber spun out of his hand, bouncing away across the floor.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Opress is one of the most inconsistent characters. He is displayed as sometimes very powerful, sometimes not nearly. I really dislike how they made him so inconsistent, it makes it quite difficult for us fans to discuss and weight in on his abilities.
He had tremendous raw power in the force and physical strength. And being the best from a warrior clan he clearly knew how to fight.
But he wasn't trained properly. So for all his power he couldn't for instance put up proper force defenses (hence getting owned by Force Lightning). Even his Force TK though powerful was usually unfocused and not precise. That's why he was good at doing a powerful force wave, but not as good at precisely levitating a Jedi the way Maul could.
Still he proved himself superior to most in Sabers/close comabt. Adi Gallia, Plo Koon (Sith Hunters) and Ventress are all on his list of wins in that department.
And like I said he had a mean Force Wave capable of flooring Obi-Wan, Anakin and multiple destroyer droids.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually it calls it 'Drain life.' I see no reason to think Bane is referring to the same technique that Nihilus and Kreia employed.
What Nihilus and Kreia do is drain life, just on a large scale. But then again, we can go back to the fact that Revan pillaged the underground cities of Malachor V.
No, it works in a different way from drain life (described as 'a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes' and 'Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely) and has numerous notable effects that Bane's text does not mention i.e. causing a wound in the Force, addiction, enslaving those around you etc.
Originally posted by Nephthys
and has numerous notable effects that Bane's text does not mention i.e. causing a wound in the Force, addiction, enslaving those around you etc.
The last two were caused by being a wound in the force and not actually straight up using the drain like Kreia does. Edit: Actually, yeah I remember it being addicting but not enslaving others.
And where does causing a wound in the force come from? Yes, it says the drained Jedi are empty of the force or something like that but I never equated that with being a wound.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He had tremendous raw power in the force and physical strength. And being the best from a warrior clan he clearly knew how to fight.But he wasn't trained properly. So for all his power he couldn't for instance put up proper force defenses (hence getting owned by Force Lightning). Even his Force TK though powerful was usually unfocused and not precise. That's why he was good at doing a powerful force wave, but not as good at precisely levitating a Jedi the way Maul could.
Still he proved himself superior to most in Sabers/close comabt. Adi Gallia, Plo Koon (Sith Hunters) and Ventress are all on his list of wins in that department.
And like I said he had a mean Force Wave capable of flooring Obi-Wan, Anakin and multiple destroyer droids.
Yes, he has untamed potential. But they can't display him Force-choking Ventress AND Dooku at the same time and THEN pushing them in the sabers department, then clearly giving Anakin and Kenobi a hard time, as well, out-dueling them, and THEN being so easily defeated by Maul and get his arm chopped off by Kenobi whilst fighting with Maul at his side... It just seems that when Maul gets in the picture, Opress somehow becomes much less intimidating and powerful.