The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

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Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Brendan Fraser can stop anything.
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Question: Is being able to Force Choke fools over holocall just something every sith can do, or do you think its an indication of being really powerful?

Edit: Also, Swtor now lets you have robotic body parts. Or just be a robot.

Really? I'll check that out.

Check out this dick.

That is a nice dick.

Sorry, not homosexual. Unlike some fellas here...

So, today I saw TPM... Qui-Gon and Kenobi give Maul a harder time than I remembered. Sure, Maul kills Qui-Gon, but only after a hard-fought duel. Maul never seemed to have the upper hand until the very end.

And Kenobi did an even better job when drawing from his rage.

Of course individually Maul wins against either of them, as made clear in the movie. I just think they (the two Jedi) do a better job than they're generally given credit for.

I never thought Maul was in a position of advantage over both of them. He fell for Obi-Wan's feint and fell off a ledge. He probably knew they would be difficult together so he kept falling back to a place that would likely separate them.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Sorry, not homosexual. Unlike some fellas here...
YouTube video

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Reread Dark Empire and was struck by certain visual and thematic similarities to ROTS.

Guess Lucas did read the comic after all.

no he didn't

The longstanding rumor was that he personally approved and enjoyed the comic as of its release.

Besides which, Dark Empire has Luke landing a wrecked Star Destroyer by manipulating its shields and anti-grav systems a la Anakin and Invisible Hand in ROTS.

Then you have Palpatine's obsession with eternal life as hinted at in ROTS. In fact, the comic refers to him as "dark beyond darkess" which is practically identical to how Dooku in the ROTS novel thinks of Sidious: "darkness beyond darkness." Not to mention that his utilization of clones is reflected in his conscription of them in the PT.

Sidious in DE uses the promise of eldritch powers to ensnare Luke to his cause just as he does with Anakin in ROTS.

Just some pretty interesting trends.

Trends, but not references or homages. Those don't seem overt enough for Lucas. His references are pretty obvious and blunt. Those are too small and subtle for his caliber.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
So, today I saw TPM... Qui-Gon and Kenobi give Maul a harder time than I remembered. Sure, Maul kills Qui-Gon, but only after a hard-fought duel. Maul never seemed to have the upper hand until the very end.

And Kenobi did an even better job when drawing from his rage.

Of course individually Maul wins against either of them, as made clear in the movie. I just think they (the two Jedi) do a better job than they're generally given credit for.

I think the 2 on 1 was a pretty even fight tbh. The Jedi performed better in their one on ones, probably due to Qui-Gon revitalizing himself through his little meditation and Obi-Wan obviously giving into his rage.

On another note I've decided to give Ben Affleck a chance as Batman. I'll give WB the benefit of the doubt and assume they did have some kind of casting process which Ben excelled in.

Though I've yet to hear about actors who auditioned but failed to land the role.

I think saying it was even is actually being just a little too generous with Maul. They were pushing him back almost the whole time. One on one, Kenobi did better than both of them together but I don't think Qui-Gon did.

I wonder how the fight would have gone had Jinn been in his prime.

I thought he was... When is he in his prime, then?

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I thought he was... When is he in his prime, then?

I seem to recall the novelization describing Jinn's realization that he was old and past his time. We have no idea how powerful he had been in his "prime", or when, except that he could stalemate Mace Windu...whose power at that point we also have no understanding of. So it's purely speculative.

But that the novel (IIRC) mentions it at all suggests that it played a part in Qui Gon's defeat.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
They were pushing him back almost the whole time.

Actually they weren't. He was moving back voluntarily most the time(which the novel supports). There was one scene when they drove him back. Plus he was the one who kept flooring them with kicks.

So I really don't think calling it a pretty even is generous to Maul. Also when a fight lasts that long(without any one side clearly being superior) then there clearly is a level of parity.

I haven't read that novel in a long, long time... And they do seemed pretty even in general, so I'll give you that, DP.

I now recall that about Qui-Gon, Master Han. Well, we know prime Qui-Gon would be capable of giving Maul an even better fight.