The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Originally posted by NemeBro
Meaningless? No, that's idiotic.

Insignificant on a cosmic scale? Sure man, but who the **** are you, Galactus? No, you're just some very human nerdy ****er on a public forum, who the **** are you to trivialize the morals developed by much greater men over a period of thousands of years? **** you.

In all seriousness, you're confusing my argument with another quite common one.

I am not saying that, for example, one life is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. That is not my view at all.

What I am saying is that whether or not I perform x, the total net utility gain from that action is something I have virtually no control over or understanding of (especially when you consider all of time and space, and chaos theory). If x were killing someone for example, where that one life would be insignificant is in further giving me the means to be able to accurately predict the difference in net utility gain between performing x and not performing x. I am still virtually in the same position, which is completely in the dark.

It's not a matter of one life being insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but the knowledge that a single person will die being insignificant in enabling me to compare the morality of performing x or not from a consequentialist viewpoint.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
YOU WERE BORN, DICKHEAD.

Said your mom.

BURNED.

Ley's say the difference in net utility gain between performing x or not would be a + b. Let's say a is the known gain, and b is the unknown gain. b is so drastically greater than a that a becomes virtually meaningless. That is the point I'm making.

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
So's his arguments. 😑

Leave personal stuff out of this mate.

@Janus:

You've brought up some interesting points. You've misunderstood a few of mine, whether it be improper communication on my part or improper comprehension on your part, it doesn't matter.

I'll consider what you've said and the arguments you've made. As for the evidence you've asked for, I'd definitely like to provide some. I'll message you on FB later on or on here.

Also, if you fucking loved me so much, you'd buy D3, noob.

Originally posted by The Renegade
@Janus:

You've brought up some interesting points. You've misunderstood a few of mine, whether it be improper communication on my part or improper comprehension on your part, it doesn't matter.

I'll consider what you've said and the arguments you've made. As for the evidence you've asked for, I'd definitely like to provide some. I'll message you on FB later on or on here.

Also, if you fucking loved me so much, you'd buy D3, noob.

I'm friggin' poor until the 15th. And car needs brakes badly.

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
In all seriousness, you're confusing my argument with another quite common one.

I am not saying that, for example, one life is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. That is not my view at all.

What I am saying is that whether or not I perform x, the total net utility gain from that action is something I have virtually no control over or understanding of (especially when you consider all of time and space, and chaos theory). If x were killing someone for example, where that one life would be insignificant is in further giving me the means to be able to accurately predict the difference in net utility gain between performing x and not performing x. I am still virtually in the same position, which is completely in the dark.

It's not a matter of one life being insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but the knowledge that a single person will die being insignificant in enabling me to compare the morality of performing x or not from a consequentialist viewpoint.

You seem to believe that morals are defined by the end result (If your citation of consequentialism is any indication), but since we have no way of accurately predicting or controlling the outcome (Chaos Theory), it is impossible to be a "morally good" person except by accident.

That's mad whack bro, and I think you're over-complicating the issue. If you take out a gun, put it to a man's temple in front of his crying family (Who you tied up), you can reasonably assume that he will be dead, and they will be traumatized. This is obviously a very clear-cut example.

What are you trying to say? I'm not sure I follow to be honest.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I'm friggin' poor until the 15th. And car needs brakes badly.

Wait, this had better be a really drawn out "maybe."

Have you ever tried it, in all seriousness?

Originally posted by The Renegade
Wait, this had better be a really drawn out "maybe."

Have you ever tried it, in all seriousness?

Brakes or D3?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Brakes or D3?

Why in the hell would I ask if you've ever tried brakes?

@Janus regarding your stance:

I may have to reconsider my opinion on liberals and judge them individually instead of as a whole.

Originally posted by The Renegade
Why in the hell would I ask if you've ever tried brakes?

Because I'm trolling you. I have not tried D3.

Originally posted by psmith81992
@Janus regarding your stance:

I may have to reconsider my opinion on liberals and judge them individually instead of as a whole.

Glad to ruin your worldview with unconventionalism. You are welcome.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Because I'm trolling you. I have not tried D3.

You still are, if you're starting sentences with "because."

Get on it! It's free to try. There's the "starter edition," which has a level cap of 13 and let's you defeat the first boss. It's about three hours of gameplay.

I'm picturing you jabbing a brake disc with a fork.

Glad to ruin your worldview with unconventionalism. You are welcome.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Using Chaos Theory as a sort of foundation for moral viewpoints is frankly one of the weirder things I've seen on this site.

You seem to believe that morals are defined by the end result (If your citation of consequentialism is any indication), but since we have no way of accurately predicting or controlling the outcome (Chaos Theory), it is impossible to be a "morally good" person except by accident.

That's mad whack bro, and I think you're over-complicating the issue. If you take out a gun, put it to a man's temple in front of his crying family (Who you tied up), you can reasonably assume that he will be dead, and they will be traumatized. This is obviously a very clear-cut example.

What are you trying to say? I'm not sure I follow to be honest.

I feel that morals are defined by your expectation of the total impact of your actions. Yes, in your example, I know of these consequences, but there are many other consequences that I am completely in the dark over, and the point is that when you consider the full implications of chaos theory over space and time, the unknown consequences so vastly outstrip the known consequences that my limited knowledge is of basically no meaning in being able to determine an accurate prediction of the net utility gain of my action. Whenever I perform any action, I ultimately can expect the net utility gain to be:

BIG UNKNOWN +/- 0.5

Just to be clear, the "BIG UNKNOWN" is greater than 0.5 by orders of magnitude in the infinite range.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Glad to ruin your worldview with unconventionalism. You are welcome.

His approval should fill you with shame.

Originally posted by The Renegade
You still are, if you're starting sentences with "because."

Get on it! It's free to try. There's the "starter edition," which has a level cap of 13 and let's you defeat the first boss. It's about three hours of gameplay.

I'm picturing you jabbing a brake disc with a fork.

I didn't know they had such a thing. I will try it.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I didn't know they had such a thing. I will try it.

The brake or D3?

Originally posted by psmith81992
Yea I don't like that. Quick, fall back in line like you're supposed to and tell me that capital punishment is state sponsored murder.

Nope.

Originally posted by Nephthys
His approval should fill you with shame.

I lol'd.

Originally posted by The Renegade
The brake or D3?

Both. YOLO, MADA****A.