The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

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Originally posted by psmith81992
With the Border, Russian, and Middle Eastern crises going on, Obama really seems to be in way over his head.
Which is fine. He and his office aren't really in charge of making the world tick. Or fine-tuning the gears, to stick with the clock analogy.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Which is fine. He and his office aren't really in charge of making the world tick. Or fine-tuning the gears, to stick with the clock analogy.

The point is, they should be. Especially this issue with Putin. He is doing whatever he wants and he is constantly testing our responses. We're one more incident away from being back in the Cold War.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Forgot about that. I've always considered Obama to be very unintelligent but incredibly unqualified to be in the position he's in. I'm not saying a guy like Bush would have done better, but there comes a time when you have to take the reins and be more forceful.

On the contrary Obama is a very intelligent man. He's gotten a lot done during his tenure and although he was highly under qualified in his first term he has adapted into this role for his second. That being said his reactions to these list of problems has been very slow.

BRICS starts a new bank to replace the world bank- No statement yet.

Crisis in Ukraine- No unity with allies in finding a solution. Instead the administration does a knee jerk sanctions response not backed by the EU.

Middle Eastern Crisis- This is the only one where his reaction has been appropriate. Dispatching Kerry was a good move, although with 800 casualties in Gaza shit needs to start moving faster negotiating a cease fire.

ISIS situation- Seems like this was unavoidable tbh. These conflicts were there before the US invaded and are likely to be there long after. At this point the US should provide aerial and logistics support for the Iraqi defense forces but recommitting ground forces seems unlikely to have any positive effect on the situation.

Border Crisis- I mean this is an issue but I think the situations abroad need to take precedence at this point.

Originally posted by psmith81992
The point is, they should be. Especially this issue with Putin. He is doing whatever he wants and he is constantly testing our responses. We're one more incident away from being back in the Cold War.

And what would you have him do? Threaten military action and put us on the verge of WWIII? I'd rather be in another 10 years of Cold War than have to deal with WWIII.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
On the contrary Obama is a very intelligent man. He's gotten a lot done during his tenure and although he was highly under qualified in his first term he has adapted into this role for his second. That being said his reactions to these list of problems has been very slow.

Whoops I could have sworn I wrote "very intelligent yet highly unqualified". Don't know why I did that but that's what I meant. And he's done a few things during his tenure but yes, as is repeatedly stated in the Godfather, he's not a "wartime consigliere".

Crisis in Ukraine- No unity with allies in finding a solution. Instead the administration does a knee jerk sanctions response not backed by the EU.

There needs to be some serious reaction, otherwise Putin will continue expanding his powers.

Middle Eastern Crisis- This is the only one where his reaction has been appropriate. Dispatching Kerry was a good move, although with 800 casualties in Gaza shit needs to start moving faster negotiating a cease fire.

His reaction has been piss slow. And the idea that you'll get Hamas to agree to a cease fire without Israel giving up something substantial, is laughable. I wouldn't mind Israel going full force until they eradicate Hamas, which is only a matter of time at this point.

ISIS situation- Seems like this was unavoidable tbh. These conflicts were there before the US invaded and are likely to be there long after. At this point the US should provide aerial and logistics support for the Iraqi defense forces but recommitting ground forces seems unlikely to have any positive effect on the situation.

I'm not sure recommitting ground forces to Iraq is going to do anything positive here. In fact, it'll be a disaster politically for Obama.

Border Crisis- I mean this is an issue but I think the situations abroad need to take precedence at this point.

Agreed, this is a minor blip compared to the aforementioned crises.

And what would you have him do? Threaten military action and put us on the verge of WWIII? I'd rather be in another 10 years of Cold War than have to deal with WWIII.

At least in a World War, you know what is coming and when. I don't want the kind of pressure the Cold War can bring. I don't wish that upon anybody. And yes, at a certain point when Putin overextends his authority (which he's done already but meh), that will be the only option remaining.

Originally posted by psmith81992
The point is, they should be. Especially this issue with Putin. He is doing whatever he wants and he is constantly testing our responses. We're one more incident away from being back in the Cold War.
I don't know how you came up with that deadline, but whatever.

Originally posted by psmith81992
At least in a World War, you know what is coming and when. I don't want the kind of pressure the Cold War can bring.
A world war with Russia mean a world war between two powers with a shit ton of nuclear weapons. This isn't the 40s where you send a lot of tanks and trucks. all out war with Russia (and likely China) means risking the existence of the species. We've survived one Cold War with them when they were much stronger than they are now. I'll risk another pressurized battle of proxies than an out-an-out fight with nuclear weapons.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Whoops I could have sworn I wrote "very intelligent yet highly unqualified". Don't know why I did that but that's what I meant. And he's done a few things during his tenure but yes, as is repeatedly stated in the Godfather, he's not a "wartime consigliere".

I suppose.


There needs to be some serious reaction, otherwise Putin will continue expanding his powers.

Let him. He expands into Ukraine, even if he does manage to secure it he'll hold it what Ten years? Five years if we fund the Ukrainians?


His reaction has been piss slow. And the idea that you'll get Hamas to agree to a cease fire without Israel giving up something substantial, is laughable. I wouldn't mind Israel going full force until they eradicate Hamas, which is only a matter of time at this point.

There have been 800 casualties. That's over a third of the number of people who died in 9/11. Bombing UN schools and beaches is hardly what I'd call a precision strike.


I'm not sure recommitting ground forces to Iraq is going to do anything positive here. In fact, it'll be a disaster politically for Obama.

Yup.

At least in a World War, you know what is coming and when. I don't want the kind of pressure the Cold War can bring. I don't wish that upon anybody. And yes, at a certain point when Putin overextends his authority (which he's done already but meh), that will be the only option remaining.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."- Albert Einstein.

Originally posted by psmith81992
There's a latest legacy comic?

Yes, been coming out for awhile- actually next issue, 18, is the last I believe.

Stars Ania Solo (non-force user, with friends like AG-37, an assassin droid) and largely focuses on Imperial Knights hunting down infiltrating sith and a sith, Darth Wredd, who wants to eliminate all the One Sith and go to the Rule of Two again.

Originally posted by Q99
Yes, been coming out for awhile- actually next issue, 18, is the last I believe.

Stars Ania Solo (non-force user, with friends like AG-37, an assassin droid) and largely focuses on Imperial Knights hunting down infiltrating sith and a sith, Darth Wredd, who wants to eliminate all the One Sith and go to the Rule of Two again.


This Wredd guy sounds kewl.

Originally posted by Q99
Yes, been coming out for awhile- actually next issue, 18, is the last I believe.

Stars Ania Solo (non-force user, with friends like AG-37, an assassin droid) and largely focuses on Imperial Knights hunting down infiltrating sith and a sith, Darth Wredd, who wants to eliminate all the One Sith and go to the Rule of Two again.

The dude that posts comics on here isn't around anymore.

I don't know how you came up with that deadline, but whatever.

Where did I come up with a deadline? lol

A world war with Russia mean a world war between two powers with a shit ton of nuclear weapons. This isn't the 40s where you send a lot of tanks and trucks. all out war with Russia (and likely China) means risking the existence of the species. We've survived one Cold War with them when they were much stronger than they are now. I'll risk another pressurized battle of proxies than an out-an-out fight with nuclear weapons.

So your solution is to let Putin do whatever he wants to do, as long as he doesn't directly start a war with the US? Gotcha

There have been 800 casualties. That's over a third of the number of people who died in 9/11. Bombing UN schools and beaches is hardly what I'd call a precision strike.

Agreed but that's why they've sent in ground troops.

Originally posted by psmith81992
At least in a World War, you know what is coming and when. I don't want the kind of pressure the Cold War can bring. I don't wish that upon anybody. And yes, at a certain point when Putin overextends his authority (which he's done already but meh), that will be the only option remaining.

I'd rather some pressure than people fricking dying. 😬

You DO realize how close we were to the end of the world during the Cold War, right? And nowhere did I indicate declaring war on Russia. Also, if there WERE a war, I'd like to think that deterrence theory will play a pivotal role.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
This Wredd guy sounds kewl.

I think you'd like him, yea 🙂

Originally posted by psmith81992
The dude that posts comics on here isn't around anymore.

Dark Horse's website has a digital service.

The first two trades are out, for those more interested in physical.

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Also in the comic: What I dub 'the planet that hates you'. It has multiple types of rain, Glass rain, and starship-melting-grade-acid rain. Take you pick!

Originally posted by psmith81992
Where did I come up with a deadline? lol
By saying that we're "one incident away?" I don't where you came up with that.

Originally posted by psmith81992
So your solution is to let Putin do whatever he wants to do, as long as he doesn't directly start a war with the US? Gotcha
Pretty much. It's almost like not letting America be the world's police anymore. Which I'm all for.

That isn't a deadline ll. You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. You probably should have gone with "prediction".

And I guess we disagree on the policing issue. You sound like quite the isolationist.

Very well then, if prediction pleases p's palate. Where did you come with the "one incident" thing? Or were you just waxing hyperbolic?

And yeah, I'm all for a new round of American isolationism. I'd actually be pretty cool if your country kinda split up in to several smaller, weaker countries, but I doubt that's gonna happen anytime soon.

Although... if you get your all out war with Russia, then the economic setbacks, the innumerable casualties, and the probable global nuclear winter could make a fractured America a reality, so, yeah. Total war with Russia, go for it.

Yup bc I advocated a war with russia, lol

The last thing America needs is another war because of what we think may happen. It didn't work 60 years ago, it didn't work 40 years ago, it's not going to work now.

Especially with the moron we have in office