There's no need for us to do anything about Russia because, despite what it looks like, Russia is doing its own self in.
There economy is in shambles, much much worse than ours, their infrastructure is shit, they're starving for natural resources and the eastern blocks are sick of Putin's nonsense- perhaps not enough to actively embrace the West, but enough to quietly not bro fist with him either. The only reason Russia is still even a blip on the international radar is because of tradition and their oil, and the latter isn't helping them as much as one would think.
Their neighbor, China, is extremely hungry for resources and land, and while they may be "cool" with Russia for now, they're also eyeing all that oil and tundra with more than a little salivating.
Putin is a man with delusions brought about by having a political mindset that worked during the cold war but is meaningless now. What we're seeing from Russia isn't a series of power-play expansionism, it's the defiant rumbles of a sick and dying lion.
Originally posted by TzeentchB-but the Cold War! And Communism! And scary Ruskies! It's all very frightening and Obama needs to do something about it. I don't know what he could possibly do that won't kill millions of people or ruin the global economy, but he needs to get the results I crave without doing something I disapprove of. Or else I'll call him weak and incompetent.
There's no need for us to do anything about Russia because, despite what it looks like, Russia is doing its own self in.There economy is in shambles, much much worse than ours, their infrastructure is shit, they're starving for natural resources and the eastern blocks are sick of Putin's nonsense- perhaps not enough to actively embrace the West, but enough to quietly not bro fist with him either. The only reason Russia is still even a blip on the international radar is because of tradition and their oil, and the latter isn't helping them as much as one would think.
Their neighbor, China, is extremely hungry for resources and land, and while they may be "cool" with Russia for now, they're also eyeing all that oil and tundra with more than a little salivating.
Putin is a man with delusions brought about by having a political mindset that worked during the cold war but is meaningless now. What we're seeing from Russia isn't a series of power-play expansionism, it's the defiant rumbles of a sick and dying lion.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
B-but the Cold War! And Communism! And scary Ruskies! It's all very frightening and Obama needs to do something about it. I don't know what he could possibly do that won't kill millions of people or ruin the global economy, but he needs to get the results I crave without doing something I disapprove of. Or else I'll call him weak and incompetent.
Yup. Thats exactly what I said. I also somewhere made a prediction, and advocated war. ROFL.
Honestly--and I'm not joking--but your "lols" aside, you really come off as a bit of a war mongerer.
Yup, that would totally make sense coming from someone who doesn't appear to read properly or is in the habit of creating arguments out of thin air, and then trying to criticize them. Aside from your obvious strawmanning and complete lack of understanding of simple words, I have a wonderful book for you:
Originally posted by psmith81992Yeah, that was a fantastic dodge.
Yup. Thats exactly what I said. I also somewhere made a prediction, and advocated war. ROFL.Yup, that would totally make sense coming from someone who doesn't appear to read properly or is in the habit of creating arguments out of thin air, and then trying to criticize them. Aside from your obvious strawmanning and complete lack of understanding of simple words, I have a wonderful book for you:]
You want Obama to do more about Putin, but aside from attacking Russia's economy or it's sovereignty, there isn't anything else to. I doubt you would want to hurt the global economy, (he's already authorized sanctions that have hurt Russia quite a bit) so, when you want Obama to "do more about Putin", the only option left is military attacks. Apparently you think we're "one incident away" as it is. Either you have some imaginary fix-it solution that you can see but Obama can't, or you want him to stop "Putin from doing whatever he wants". Economic sanction don't seem to be working (obviously, otherwise you wouldn't have complained about the issue), so... only one option left. War is on your mind--what else you could possibly want Obama to do?
Thus, you're a bit of warmongerer.
It's okay, you can admit it. I'll hold it against you for being a scumbag, but you can admit it.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yeah, that was a fantastic dodge.
You want Obama to do more about Putin, but aside from attacking Russia's economy or it's sovereignty
I doubt you would want to hurt the global economy
(he's already authorized sanctions that have hurt Russia quite a bit)
Such as? I'm wondering if you know.
Apparently you think we're "one incident away" as it is.
Thus, you're a bit of warmongerer.
war·mon·ger
ˈwôrˌməNGgər,-ˌmäNG-/Submit
noun
a sovereign or political leader or activist who encourages or advocates aggression or warfare toward other nations or groups
Hmm. Since I advocated neither, we'll add this to a 3rd word/concept you're having trouble dealing with? If you wanted to argue any kind of aggression, it's what I would advocate for Israel. Then again, it's not exactly aggression if it's retaliatory. But I was just trying to amuse myself with your fictional arguments.
It's okay, you can admit it. I'll hold it against you for being a scumbag, but you can admit it. [/B]
Originally posted by psmith81992Aw 🙁
There was nothing to dodge other than your pitiful attempts at a strawman.
Originally posted by psmith81992Don't kid yourself, there are neither here.
And he's getting closer, ladies and gentlemen!,
Originally posted by psmith81992Sanctions can be more than just chequing account freezings or visa bans. If you want Obama to force Putin to relent via sanctions, then anything strong enough to damage one of the largest economies in the world in to submission is going to hurt others as well. Likely severely. Germany and much of the EU are worried about increasing sanctions, they rely heavily on trade with Russia. If Russia is broke, then they'll start to go broke. Globalized economy and whatnot. You like economics, so I know you already knew this.
Please explain how this is going to happen with economic sanctions.
Originally posted by psmith81992$75 billion in capital flight. The IMF apparently estimates it'll top $100 billion by year's end. In a country with a GDP of ~$2 trillion, that's not a small sting. BBC reported that their stock markets fell 12%. Was there more? Did I miss any others?
Such as? I'm wondering if you know.
Originally posted by psmith81992The f*ck is a "cold war"? What, do they fight with cryo weapons or something?
Yes, from a Cold War, which apparently you're having trouble understanding and confusing it with an actual war. Let's chalk that up to another concept you don't get.
Originally posted by psmith81992You're advocating something. You didn't seem to like the idea of "Putin doing whatever he wants" and you feel there needs to be "some serious reaction, otherwise Putin will continue expanding his powers."
Hmm. Since I advocated neither, we'll add this to a 3rd word/concept you're having trouble dealing with? If you wanted to argue any kind of aggression, it's what I would advocate for Israel. Then again, it's not exactly aggression if it's retaliatory. But I was just trying to amuse myself with your fictional arguments.
If you don't advocate military intervention, and I know you wouldn't want the economy hurt in a post-Recession world... then what are you advocating?
EDIT: also: warmonger
(pejorative) a bellicist, someone who advocates war; a militarist
Originally posted by psmith81992Ditto, buddy.
I would take you seriously on this matter but it seems you're having so much trouble with simple concepts, you're a little over your head.
Sanctions can be more than just chequing account freezings or visa bans. If you want Obama to force Putin to relent via sanctions, then anything strong enough to damage one of the largest economies in the world in to submission is going to hurt others as well. Likely severely. Germany and much of the EU are worried about increasing sanctions, they rely heavily on trade with Russia. If Russia is broke, then they'll start to go broke. Globalized economy and whatnot. You like economics, so I know you already knew this.
I know economics, that is why I'm asking you to explain how economic sanctions on Russia are going to cripple the world economy. Simply stating "they'll go for broke!" doesn't answer anyone's question.
$75 billion in capital flight. The IMF apparently estimates it'll top $100 billion by year's end. In a country with a GDP of ~$2 trillion, that's not a small sting. BBC reported that their stock markets fell 12%. Was there more? Did I miss any others?
The f*ck is a "cold war"? What, do they fight with cryo weapons or something?
cold war
noun
a state of political hostility between countries characterized by threats, propaganda, and other measures short of open warfare, in particular.
In other words, NOT an actual war? Lol
You're advocating something. You didn't seem to like the idea of "Putin doing whatever he wants" and you feel there needs to be "some serious reaction, otherwise Putin will continue expanding his powers."If you don't advocate military intervention, and I know you wouldn't want the economy hurt in a post-Recession world... then what are you advocating?
(pejorative) a bellicist, someone who advocates war; a militarist
Originally posted by psmith81992The title of that looks interesting, but I'm not subscribing to the Wall Street Journal just to read it. Have another link?
I know economics, that is why I'm asking you to explain how economic sanctions on Russia are going to cripple the world economy. Simply stating "they'll go for broke!" doesn't answer anyone's question.
Originally posted by psmith81992It ISN'T an actual war? Yeah, I guess that is pretty lol.
cold war
noun
a state of political hostility between countries characterized by threats, propaganda, and other measures short of open warfare, in particular.In other words, NOT an actual war? Lol
Originally posted by psmith81992I'm not content with it, actually. Land seizure isn't cool, brah.
Further economic sanctions to start. But you seem content with the fact that Putin is slowly expanding his borders, on the sole basis that if we do anything remotely aggressive, WWIII!!
What magnitude of sanctions would you want Obama to enact?
Originally posted by psmith81992You didn't... and you still don't? I don't think you've outright said you're opposed to it, but if you are, just say so. Flat out, no sarcasm, just answer honestly: do you favor military invention to enforce Western values?
Since I didn't advocate a war
The title of that looks interesting, but I'm not subscribing to the Wall Street Journal just to read it. Have another link?
It ISN'T an actual war? Yeah, I guess that is pretty lol.
As far as sanctions, try this again:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/eu-lines-up-sector-wide-economic-sanctions-on-russia-1406292722
You didn't... and you still don't? I don't think you've outright said you're opposed to it, but if you are, just say so. Flat out, no sarcasm, just answer honestly: do you favor military invention to enforce Western values?
I supported the Chilean and Guatemalan coups, and I'm still not sure about the contra scandal.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/07/24/howard-stern-defends-israel
Very surprised and impressed. Always thought Stern was incredibly intelligent but just couldn't stomach his shows. Too raunchy. Also his stance on guns, but this was nice.