The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

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Dave
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I don't know how you can say ending a civil war and bring the southern states back isn't remarkable.

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LOL@fdr. His retarded New Deal brought massive expansion in government and prolonged the Great Depression

Originally posted by Eminence
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Holy shit that is hilarious.

Originally posted by psmith81992
LOL@fdr. His retarded New Deal brought massive expansion in government and prolonged the Great Depression

Sherman and Grant are the only badass people from then. Lincoln saying, "Get this done," doesn't make him badass. And since the Great Depression was a global event, and the US doesn't exist in a vacuum, yeah, not really. What the New Deal was created to do was give money back to the working class. It did that.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Sherman and Grant are the only badass people from then. Lincoln saying, "Get this done," doesn't make him badass. And since the Great Depression was a global event, and the US doesn't exist in a vacuum, yeah, not really. What the New Deal was created to do was give money back to the working class. It did that.

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Also, We literally tried ignoring the depression and hoping that it would go away. Hoover is often listed among the worst presidents because he was so ineffective.

Plus, all of mainstream economic theory says you're wrong about the new deal. so yeah

Plus, all of mainstream economic theory says you're wrong about the new deal. so yeah

Wonderful. Post me some mainstream economy links and I'll post you some Classical Eco/Austrian school links.

I'll start with four

http://fee.org/freeman/detail/fdrs-folly-how-roosevelt-and-his-new-deal-prolonged-the-great-depression

http://mises.org/blog/mythical-banking-crisis-and-failure-new-deal

http://fee.org/freeman/detail/what-ended-the-great-depression

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression (most comprehensive).

And since the Great Depression was a global event, and the US doesn't exist in a vacuum, yeah, not really.

I don't understand the relevance of this post. Was that supposed to be an excuse or rationalization? Because it did not answer any questions. The US was responsible for the Great Depression. The end.

Originally posted by psmith81992
I don't understand the relevance of this post. Was that supposed to be an excuse or rationalization? Because it did not answer any questions. The US was responsible for the Great Depression. The end.

For some reason I assumed you had a basic grasp of economics, being as intelligent as you claim. If you did, you'd know that a productive workforce and money in the pockets of the consumer strengthen the economy. I.e, if you have a country sitting on their ass and twiddling their thumbs, being unproductive and inefficient, the economy will not grow. If the people have no money to spend, the economy will not grow. This is why education and things like minimum wage are important, in theory. Contrary to whatever conservative belief you're spatting, government expansion does not halt economic growth, as government is a primary component of the GDP of any nation. GDP = C + I + G + (X − M), that is how much the country consumes, investments(business), government spending, and the net of imports of exports. If the country does not buy anything, and a large part of it wasn't, the economy tanks. If no one is investing in business, which they weren't, the economy tanks. If the government is not large enough to make up for that difference, which it wasn't, the economy tanks. So, after all that, hopefully you understand the relevance of needing an actual economy, to have an economy.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
For some reason I assumed you had a basic grasp of economics, being as intelligent as you claim. If you did, you'd know that a productive workforce and money in the pockets of the consumer strengthen the economy. I.e, if you have a country sitting on their ass and twiddling their thumbs, being unproductive and inefficient, the economy will not grow. If the people have no money to spend, the economy will not grow. This is why education and things like minimum wage are important, in theory. Contrary to whatever conservative belief you're spatting, government expansion does not halt economic growth, as government is a primary component of the GDP of any nation. GDP = C + I + G + (X − M), that is how much the country consumes, investments(business), government spending, and the net of imports of exports. If the country does not buy anything, and a large part of it wasn't, the economy tanks. If no one is investing in business, which they weren't, the economy tanks. If the government is not large enough to make up for that difference, which it wasn't, the economy tanks. So, after all that, hopefully you understand the relevance of needing an actual economy, to have an economy.

Wow.. After reading that post, not only did you prove that your grasp of economic is rudimentary at best, but that you've also chosen to regurgitate what you just now learned from what I assume is high school or college intro to Macroeconomics class, because that's the only place that basic understanding of economics could come from. But alright, I'll entertain this nonsense.

If you did, you'd know that a productive workforce and money in the pockets of the consumer strengthen the economy. I.e, if you have a country sitting on their ass and twiddling their thumbs, being unproductive and inefficient, the economy will not grow

What is the point of this post? We're not 12 (at least I'm not). You don't need to point out that if people don't produce, the economy doesn't grow (nevermind the fact that I'm a proponent of supply side economics and of the school that believes the massive credit expansion after 1971, coupled with outsourcing, turned our economy from a production economy to a consumption economy. But I don't want to confuse you here).
Anyways, the stock market crash and an unusually lose monetary policy (ie not following the pre WWI gold standard) were the main causes of the Great Depression.

If the people have no money to spend, the economy will not grow.

Ah, the joy of Keynesian economics being taught in our university. Thank you for explaining a consumption economics to me.

This is why education and things like minimum wage are important, in theory

Qué? Very interesting broad statement. Minimum wage can also be detrimental to businesses, what's your point?

Contrary to whatever conservative belief you're spatting, government expansion does not halt economic growth, as government is a primary component of the GDP of any nation.

Not that your argument had any merit to begin with, but this is where it falls flat on its face. You're either liberal or just anti conservative because you seem to assume everything I say has a conservative basis to it. Economics isn't liberalism vs. Conservatism (despite what you think). Economics involves different schools of thought, how much oversight there should be, what kind of monetary policies should be put into place, the role of government in economics, etc. This is beyond your pay grade, apparently.
Also, I did not say government expansion necessarily halts economic growth. It has in the past but it government expansion isn't necessary condition to halt economic growth, it's merely a sufficient one.

GDP = C + I + G + (X − M), that is how much the country consumes, investments(business), government spending, and the net of imports of exports.

Thank you for giving me the consumption+income+government spending+NX formula that I used to pass my first Intro to Macroeconomics test 12-13 years ago. I haven't forgotten it.

If the country does not buy anything, and a large part of it wasn't, the economy tanks. If no one is investing in business, which they weren't, the economy tanks. If the government is not large enough to make up for that difference, which it wasn't, the economy tanks. So, after all that, hopefully you understand the relevance of needing an actual economy, to have an economy.

There are so many things wrong with this particularly vague part of your post, it'll take a page to address it. If a country does not buy anything, it's because they have no money. You seem to only think on the consumption side of things. Guess how a country can make money. EXPORTS! How do they export things? By producing items that they can then export! What happens when there's a Trade Surplus (exports>imports)? MONEY!!!!$$$!

Your point about the government making up the difference is irrelevant. They only masked the issue and then prolonged it. Thank god WWII production ended the Great Depression and at that point, we were on an economical level that hasn't been seen since. I hope this was a good lesson for you. I may troll 99% of the time, but when someone attempts to lecture me in economics, I get somewhat serious. I advise you to look at the links I posted, and here's some good reading material for you (I read all 3).

Book 1

Book 2

Book 3

Dave, do you have any books on how to please your man?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Dave, do you have any books on how to please your man?

Nope, that's all instinct, baby.

I wouldn't describe myself as pleased so much as indifferent.

That's more of a testament to your impossible to please standards than my extraordinary abilities.

Two-piece for Zamp (style in 1 reminded me of you) and other interested parties:
1. http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/25/race-and-justice-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/
2. http://www.vox.com/2014/12/1/7311417/race-law-controls

Reads fast, don't be put off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbR6iQ62v9k
Really great video. Not sure why everyone hates Obama.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbR6iQ62v9k
Really great video. Not sure why everyone hates Obama.

People "hate" Obama about as much as they "hated" Bush.

Obama performed better than Bush domestically but his foreign policies have been nothing short of disastrous for the past 8 years.

Originally posted by Eminence
Two-piece for Zamp (style in 1 reminded me of you) and other interested parties:
1. http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/25/race-and-justice-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/
2. http://www.vox.com/2014/12/1/7311417/race-law-controls

Reads fast, don't be put off.

Wow this is great. I feel like the second article is a lot closer to my understanding of how systematic racism intersects with geography and identity; when Scott Alexander mentions that the studies control for neighborhood, it's really kind of missing the point. I'd be interested to see if there's a post somewhere deeper in the archives where he defines specifically what he means to classify as "racism."

If we find that math skills are equal across ages when controlling for grade level then it doesn't mean that we should say that a first grader is as good at math as a tenth grader. For example.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Obama performed better than Bush domestically but his foreign policies have been nothing short of disastrous for the past 8 years.

And Bush's foreign policies were good?

Originally posted by Nephthys
And Bush's foreign policies were good?

I said better. Obama's domestic policies weren't good either, just better than what Bush did. Most of the stuff overseas has been a colossal disaster during the Obama presidency, and Bush had goddamn WMDs.

Originally posted by psmith81992
I said better. Obama's domestic policies weren't good either, just better than what Bush did. Most of the stuff overseas has been a colossal disaster during the Obama presidency, and Bush had goddamn WMDs.

i thought you'd be in favor of Obama's military policies; he's continued the drone strike program, Abu Graib (sp?) is still open, and we intervened in a bunch of different rebellions...