Originally posted by Zampanó
unpopular opinion: Our freedoms are not currently in jeopardy. It is not currently possible to die for our freedom, because there is no aggressor with the capacity to threaten our liberty (other than the republican party's obstructionism in congress).
Really? Blaming the Republicans? Lol. Guess we could all do the same with the democrats if you weren't intentionally trying to bait me. 😂
Not that I need to explain that there is nobody to seriously threaten our freedoms because our soldiers do what they do while unemployed pissants debate the morality of war in coffee shops.
1. name me three freedoms that the democrats are threatening. that's a false equivalency. (but i was totally baiting u so don't actually list them cuz i probably wont get into it)
2. I do actually believe that no individual soldier in the 21st century has had the opportunity to die for our freedoms. Because, like, if we were to entirely withdraw from the middle east, the combatants there would lack the capacity to continue inflicting casualties on us. It may be that their resources would be redirected towards terroristic acts on American soil, but even that would not constitute a threat to our freedoms. (The NSA/CIA/FBI might have an increased workload in their duty of protecting our security.) But as far as I am aware, there is no military entity on the planet with the capacity to impose limitations on the liberty of American citizens.
I think that there are good and moral reasons not to withdraw entirely from the middle east right now. Specifically, the fallout in terms of innocent lives in the Middle East would be immense. I think that this reason provides justification for thanking currently active soldiers. But to phrase it as a concern for the freedoms of Americans citizens seems misguided.
Frankly, I'd be curious to corner a historian and ask whether the conflict in WWI constituted a threat to American citizens. I'll grant that WWII counts, because of the attack on Pearl Harbor and the various plots to include Mexico in the war. I'm inclined, however, to say that the Revolutionary War was about freedoms, and that the Civil War was about freedoms, but that the majority of wars that the United States has participated in have been about our own economic, political, or cultural interest; these causes are very distinct from "freedom."
I would not thank a soldier from the French & Indian War for killing many native americans, for example.
1. name me three freedoms that the democrats are threatening. that's a false equivalency. (but i was totally baiting u so don't actually list them cuz i probably wont get into it)
2. I do actually believe that no individual soldier in the 21st century has had the opportunity to die for our freedoms. Because, like, if we were to entirely withdraw from the middle east, the combatants there would lack the capacity to continue inflicting casualties on us. It may be that their resources would be redirected towards terroristic acts on American soil, but even that would not constitute a threat to our freedoms. (The NSA/CIA/FBI might have an increased workload in their duty of protecting our security.) But as far as I am aware, there is no military entity on the planet with the capacity to impose limitations on the liberty of American citizens.
I think that there are good and moral reasons not to withdraw entirely from the middle east right now. Specifically, the fallout in terms of innocent lives in the Middle East would be immense. I think that this reason provides justification for thanking currently active soldiers. But to phrase it as a concern for the freedoms of Americans citizens seems misguided.
Frankly, I'd be curious to corner a historian and ask whether the conflict in WWI constituted a threat to American citizens. I'll grant that WWII counts, because of the attack on Pearl Harbor and the various plots to include Mexico in the war. I'm inclined, however, to say that the Revolutionary War was about freedoms, and that the Civil War was about freedoms, but that the majority of wars that the United States has participated in have been about our own economic, political, or cultural interest; these causes are very distinct from "freedom."
I would not thank a soldier from the French & Indian War for killing many native americans, for example.