Assholes live everywhere. Deal with it. We could ***** about it forever on tumblr, or we can grow the **** up and move on with life. It's why things like this: http://www.wyff4.com/news/multiday-protest-continues-at-clemson-university/39065606
anger me. People pointing and laughing or mocking you is something you should care about when you're 7, not 17.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceThe point is that that type of behavior is a lot of the time derived from ignorance and lack of education and that needs to be addressed. People are going to be assholes, obviously, but I think if their homophobia is because of the aforementioned reasons we should do more than just be like 'oh well, it's gonna happen.' Because it can be stopped with education and if it's talked about. And it isn't something that people should be forced to deal with as teenagers, no matter what. I fortunately haven't had to deal with homophobia for obvious reasons, but it can go a lot farther than just a few guys laughing at you in the hallways. It can continue into constant harassment and bullying and can cause legitimate psychological damage.
Assholes live everywhere. Deal with it. We could ***** about it forever on tumblr, or we can grow the **** up and move on with life. It's why things like this: http://www.wyff4.com/news/multiday-protest-continues-at-clemson-university/39065606anger me. People pointing and laughing or mocking you is something you should care about when you're 7, not 17.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
The point is that that type of behavior is a lot of the time derived from ignorance and lack of education and that needs to be addressed.
People are going to be assholes, obviously, but I think if their homophobia is because of the aforementioned reasons we should do more than just be like 'oh well, it's gonna happen.' Because it can be stopped with education and if it's talked about.
And it isn't something that people should be forced to deal with as teenagers, no matter what. I fortunately haven't had to deal with homophobia for obvious reasons, but it can go a lot farther than just a few guys laughing at you in the hallways. It can continue into constant harassment and bullying and can cause legitimate psychological damage.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceAnd why are they assholes towards LGBT? The vast majority of the time it's because they're ignorant and uneducated, and it's certainly the case with highschoolers. People who actually know gay people personally, whether they're friends with someone who is or one of their family members are gay, don't act like assholes to random gay people they see in the hallways, because they understand.
I hear this said a lot, but rarely is this actually the case. People are just assholes.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceAnd that's fine, I'm aware many straight guys find the thought of ****ing a dude disgusting. But that isn't an excuse for harassment and bullying. I can see a couple that's ugly as **** in the hallways making out, but will I say 'ewwwwwwww grosssssss'? No.
People don't think homosexuality is gross because they think it's a choice, or whatever. People think it's gross because, as a heterosexual, the idea of two men, it's mainly men who care about this kind of thing, being together is disgusting, to put it bluntly. I certainly don't like picturing two men together. I don't know of a single heterosexual man who does. I know homosexuality isn't a choice. I still do not like the idea of it. The difference between me, and the people you're talking about, is that regardless of your sexual preferences and how I feel about it, you'll always be a person first, and what you do behind closed doors that does not involve me second. Is it kind of off-putting to watch gay couples together, sure, but that's none of my business, and they should do what they want to. We all do "disgusting" things.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceIt isn't something that should be chalked up to 'well people are assholes' when it can be stopped or at least curbed down to the point where the school environments are comfortable enough for people to be themselves. Because simple homophobia can devolve into constant bullying and physical harassment. And bullying can actually cause legitimate psychological issues, it isn't bullshit made up as an excuse. It isn't trying to make public life into a hugbox either, because that's unrealistic and stupid, but trying to make school a place where you can go through the day without being called a ****** isn't too unrealistic and there shouldn't be anything wrong with that. Obviously, we don't want a society where people get offended over ridiculous things like what's happening today, but simple shit like I've said isn't making people pussified.
Look, I've been there. I'm black, and I live in the South. It's a lot easier to be identified as black than as homosexual. I've dealt with discrimination from black and white people before, for the color of my skin(because black people hate light skinned people believe it or not), my mannerisms, etc. I cried, got over it, and moved on with my life. Psychological damage is the crutch people lean on when they aren't strong enough to face their problems and get past them. Everyone can't be that strong, sure, and you can always be there for those people, but life only gets harder from here, and there will never be a place where everyone is accepting of you. No one wants to be told they have to accept that, but you do. Making public life into a hugbox isn't exactly the answer.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
And why are they assholes towards LGBT? The vast majority of the time it's because they're ignorant and uneducated, and it's certainly the case with highschoolers. People who actually know gay people personally, whether they're friends with someone who is or one of their family members are gay, don't act like assholes to random gay people they see in the hallways, because they understand.
And that's fine, I'm aware many straight guys find the thought of ****ing a dude disgusting. But that isn't an excuse for harassment and bullying. I can see a couple that's ugly as **** in the hallways making out, but will I say 'ewwwwwwww grosssssss'? No.
It isn't something that should be chalked up to 'well people are assholes' when it can be stopped or at least curbed down to the point where the school environments are comfortable enough for people to be themselves. Because simple homophobia can devolve into constant bullying and physical harassment.
And bullying can actually cause legitimate psychological issues, it isn't bullshit made up as an excuse.
It isn't trying to make public life into a hugbox either, because that's unrealistic and stupid, but trying to make school a place where you can go through the day without being called a ****** isn't too unrealistic and there shouldn't be anything wrong with that. Obviously, we don't want a society where people get offended over ridiculous things like what's happening today, but simple shit like I've said isn't making people pussified.
Yeah, I'm not a sociopath, so the fact that I don't give a shit about your worthless, to me, opinion obviously isn't bound to sociopathy. I feel just like everyone else. I, however, am not a child, so when someone calls me names, I shrug it off. Words mean nothing, because I know who I am and that's all that matters. If it's not the same for you, then you're the lesser man, not me.
Basically everyone at our school is like a freshest. People throw vile, vile slurs at people and we all just laugh it off, including the person who the slur was directed at. Example: one of my friends in the middle of a pep rally yelled
Spoiler:as loud as he could and the person he directed it at gave a funny/sarcastic response, and everybody else did too. Kind of an extreme example, but tl; dr, I can kind of see where freshest is coming from. Not that I have anything against sensitive or overly sensitive people, as I can be both too at times.
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Verbal bullying is a thing Fresh, as is homophobia, and I'm pretty sure both are prohibited in a school of all places. So this is really a no brainer. It's wrong and obviously those kids should be called out on it, telling people to get over it is all well and good, but indirectly telling those doing the harassing that their behavior is acceptable is worse tbh.
If you found out your kid was harassing someone for being gay and school would you do nothing about it? Of course not, and if you didn't, your a bad parent. Again, a no brainer. Same if your a teacher frankly. Or a person, in general.
Also, is holding hands really a public display of affection? People who get grossed out about that really need to calm down.
@Skillz, I think the difference is that there are some cases were insults thrown don't really mean anything, like, I could call you a ****ing f@ggot right now and I imagine you'd shrug that off. Directing that insult at a actual gay person with malicious intent is rather different though. That's just cruel.
People call many straight couples gross and nasty too, and not be joking. A lot of times I'll see people walk up to someone and tell them that they or their boyfriend/girlfriend is a disgusting ****/whore. Of course they laugh it off. Hell, today a dude and his girlfriend were hugging in the hallway and my friend whispered to me, "that couple is ****ing ugly. They make me want to commit (suicide)". Different environment I guess, I've never actually seen a consistent bully ever in my life. 🙂
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Verbal bullying is a thing Fresh, as is homophobia, and I'm pretty sure both are prohibited in a school of all places. So this is really a no brainer. It's wrong and obviously those kids should be called out on it, telling people to get over it is all well and good, but indirectly telling those doing the harassing that their behavior is acceptable is worse tbh.
If you found out your kid was harassing someone for being gay and school would you do nothing about it? Of course not, and if you didn't, your a bad parent. Again, a no brainer. Same if your a teacher frankly. Or a person, in general.
Also, is holding hands really a public display of affection? People who get grossed out about that really need to calm down.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yeah, I'm not a sociopath, so the fact that I don't give a shit about your worthless, to me, opinion obviously isn't bound to sociopathy. I feel just like everyone else. I, however, am not a child, so when someone calls me names, I shrug it off. Words mean nothing, because I know who I am and that's all that matters. If it's not the same for you, then you're the lesser man, not me.
Caring about other people isn't a flaw or a weakness. Thinking that other people matter isn't bad. And disregarding the suffering of others simply because you see them as "weak" for suffering, is a trait of sociopathy. People who shrug at bullying and say that the victims should just toughen up are scum, plain and simple.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceSpanish Inquisition? lmao.
Yeah, don't compare calling someone gross and nasty to the Spanish Inquisition. If that shit phases you, you have bigger problems than the names that hurt you to begin with.
And that's not what I said, what I said in short is that not calling out people on this stuff is to say its OK, you are endorsing what they are doing. Simple.
I'd hope to raise my children, if I'm ever so cursed to have any, to be better people than to openly harass anyone. But if they did, I would give them the same shit as I'd give the person crying about it. Just as if my child came crying to me for being made fun of, for being gay or otherwise, I'd tell them, in much kinder words of course, that words mean nothing, and that they should love themselves for who they know they are, not what others think of them. The people you meet in high school come and go, but you'll always have to live with yourself, and if you love you, that's enough. The people calling you names don't, and they certainly don't matter.Which is fair, but again this isn't about people being oversensitive, or people needing to "grow up", this is informing people that certain kinds of behaviour is unacceptable.
Yes. Just like the people being hurt by being called gross need to grow up.I don't see what's immature about finding homophobic harrassment unacceptable, whether or not they hurt about it being again besides the point.
That person would still have a right to say that's wrong (although frankly they have every right to be upset as well) and have those people punished.
Originally posted by NephthysWell, I wouldn't use those words, but the responsibility should never be on the victim to deal with it.
Caring about other people isn't a flaw or a weakness. Thinking that other people matter isn't bad. And disregarding the suffering of others simply because you see them as "weak" for suffering, is a trait of sociopathy. People who shrug at bullying and say that the victims should just toughen up are scum, plain and simple.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceI know people who were homophobic, then their best friend came out or their aunt or uncle and with that happening, it kind of forces them to confront what they feel about LGBT and ask themselves 'is this right?' Knowing someone personally actually does make a lot of people more understanding and less likely to be an ******* to gay people in the future. Why would they when their BFF or uncle is? Obviously it isn't the case with every person, but a lot of the times it is. People can get their views about gay people from their church, homophobic family members, etc. and that's not the best way to understand gay people. Dealing with it with someone close to you puts things in a different perspective.
Yes, yes, they do. All the time. Sorry to say this, not really, but knowing a gay person and how they feel doesn't magically make you accepting of gay people. We don't live in the 1800s. Most people know about homosexuality in some form or capacity. You're singled out because you're a small group and that makes you an easy target. It's not because people think you're monsters that eat their children in the night.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceAnd I'm talking about measures to make these 'foreign' things more acceptable. I also don't like PDA but I mean Jesus, two guys holding hands is 'gross' and 'nasty'? If you really think that calling them out for holding hands like every other couple should just be hand waved, that's pretty ridiculous.
Personally, I don't like any displays of public affection, most people don't. But it's a lot easier to accept something that's more similar to you than something that is foreign.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice..ok.
Public displays of affections aren't really "allowed" in any setting, regardless of sexuality, so instead of talking about curbing homophobia, perhaps your school should focus on enforcing it's own policies, that I'm sure it has somewhere.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceHoly shit. Being harassed over possibly years and having psychological issues because of it does not make you weak. What the ****.
Ignoring the fact that the vast majority of social science is complete and utter bullshit that is based on very little empirical data, this really doesn't change what I said. It's a crutch for the weak willed. I already acknowledged that everyone can't deal with their problems, and that's sad. Being a dick is wrong. Doesn't mean that the reason some people can't deal with it is because they can't. If words, and words alone, make you want to kill yourself, then you, are weak. Drinking alcohol can kill you. If you die from a jello shot, you are weak.
And it isn't some one-off thing I'm referring to when I talk about harassment and bullying to LGBT students.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceMore like wanting education and discussion so people don't dislike people because they're gay. And I'm talking about the broader implications of what happened today. I really doubt it was a one-off thing. I don't even know them, but honestly they probably get that shit all the time.
Yeah, saying that you want the school to force the mean people to stop saying mean things is right in line with wanting a hugbox. Obviously following someone around and throwing shit at them would be out of line, but pointing and saying, "That's gross and nasty," is far from something anyone should care about. There's a huge, and bold, line between being an ass, and harassing. Social justice trying to prove otherwise aside anyway.