Originally posted by Darth SexyGo Roger. But Nadal's better.
Ok I'm done for the night. It's time for Roddick and Federer. Please do not all bombard me at once.Ok nevermind, that's on at 2:30 in the morning so it looks like an all nighter.
And were you serious on the whole homosexuality is a conscious and immoral choice?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Go Roger. But Nadal's better.And were you serious on the whole homosexuality is a conscious and immoral choice?
I'm for Roddick. And I love Nadal. I just grew up on Sampras and I don't want Federer beating his record, although he will. But it should be a good match in teh morning.
In terms of homosexuality being a conscious and immoral choice, let me try and clarify. If a man is attracted to another man, you can say he can't help it and "come out", or he can try and fight it if he thinks it's wrong. I don't know how much sense that made because I'm thinking out loud. Anyways, what about a bisexual man who chooses to have intercourse with both sexes? Is his logic "I cant help it" or is it "I'm attracted to both sexes and I choose sex X or Y"? I think it's more of a choice that people give credit, and I also think that it stems from either biological issues, environmental issues, or both.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I'm for Roddick. And I love Nadal. I just grew up on Sampras and I don't want Federer beating his record, although he will. But it should be a good match in teh morning.In terms of homosexuality being a conscious and immoral choice, let me try and clarify. If a man is attracted to another man, you can say he can't help it and "come out", or he can try and fight it if he thinks it's wrong. I don't know how much sense that made because I'm thinking out loud. Anyways, what about a bisexual man who chooses to have intercourse with both sexes? Is his logic "I cant help it" or is it "I'm attracted to both sexes and I choose sex X or Y"? I think it's more of a choice that people give credit, and I also think that it stems from either biological issues, environmental issues, or both.
I have a lot of bi friends, and they are just able to love everyone in an intimate way. But they will always be more attracted to sex X or Y. More likely the opposite sex.
Originally posted by Publius IINo i think i am going to have to spell it out for you. I don't even actually think you get what i am talking about.
No shit.I'm probably going to have to spell that one out for you, too.
That's all they need to hear; "we're different, but it's okay." Kids are resilient and malleable; they can adapt in ways that older folk can't. The danger comes when people like you try and tell them that their family isn't natural, or that it isn't as good as a straight family. You're the reason that these kids would need an explanation.Oh that is bull. Do you think that kids will not ask for an explanation unless someone points it out to them?
No, moron, they aren't "mixed up." They aren't misguided, they aren't stupid, they aren't perverted; they like people of the same sex. It's how they are.Don't start in with the name calling, and then threaten to tell on me like a kid because i don't agree.
Yes they are mixed up in the head. They are just accepted more nowadays. If you say they are not mixed, then child molestors are also not mixed up in the head, because they also can not help being sexually attracted to children.
Which is where the Hilton/Hitler comparison would come in. Go read it again, in context.And i can name a girl i know that was raised with gay parents, and... well... you should take a look at her.
Your question is stupid. You assume that just because something is "natural" - a term which in your case, is a being used very loosely - it should be perfectly acceptable to everyone, and just because something is "unnatural," it is taboo and should GTFO of existence.Umm where the hell are you getting this from? When did i say we should not accept gays as people. I myself would not allow anyone of my children to be involved in a gay relationship. But when they turn 18, and that is the way they decide to live, well there would be nothing i can do. I would not hate them for it.
Wow! You don't have any.You are not paying attention to what i am saying.
They are satanic because they are unfamiliar, unnatural, and not what my great-grandparents grew up accepting. So screw them and their rights. That goes for all other people of color, Jews, and women, too.Why didn't your great-grandparents accept them? I at least gave a reason. Skin color is not a reason.
Originally posted by Darth SexyHuh. I think everything humanity does stems from a chemical/environmental issue. But on a moral standpoint... what's wrong with homosexuality?
I'm for Roddick. And I love Nadal. I just grew up on Sampras and I don't want Federer beating his record, although he will. But it should be a good match in teh morning.In terms of homosexuality being a conscious and immoral choice, let me try and clarify. If a man is attracted to another man, you can say he can't help it and "come out", or he can try and fight it if he thinks it's wrong. I don't know how much sense that made because I'm thinking out loud. Anyways, what about a bisexual man who chooses to have intercourse with both sexes? Is his logic "I cant help it" or is it "I'm attracted to both sexes and I choose sex X or Y"? I think it's more of a choice that people give credit, and I also think that it stems from either biological issues, environmental issues, or both.
Well this match wasn't worth staying up for. Two sets are done with and the match was basically over after the 1st one. And after this one, Roddick has made absolutely no progress in getting closer to beating Federer. I mean none. That just boggles my mind. He had all the errors, his serve was crappy, he just isn't in the same league as Federer. Out of all the people i've seen Federer play on a consist basis, I think he absolutely has the easiest matches against Roddick. Now we're most likely going to get a Federer Nadal final again, I can't wait.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
C'mon don't play games, I asked you first a direct question. What do you find morally wrong with homosexuality?
And I'm trying to prove a point by your responses. If you want an answer, you can't expect to have it on your terms. Answer my question and I will answer yours.
Okay, I'll play.
Originally posted by Darth SexyMorally:
What's wrong with bestiality? What's wrong with sex with a minor? What's wrong with incest?
1.) Nothing, 2.) It's traumatizing/dangerous, 3.) Nothing.
Frankly there's something disgusting about all three, but on a moral standpoint, only #2 stands out.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66Good one.
No i think i am going to have to spell it out for you.
I don't even actually think you get what i am talking about.Gays are bad because they are "unnatural" and silly in the head. Gays shouldn't adopt kids because you know a child raised by gays who is bad, as well as a child raised by abusive parents who is good; therefore, gays make bad parents.
That about sum it up?
Oh that is bull. Do you think that kids will not ask for an explanation unless someone points it out to them?Read what I'm ****ing typing, 66. I will not repeat this again.
Children ask questions about everything; you give them an explanation and they're satisfied by it, simple as that. A child who sees all his friends with a mother and father will notice that his situation is different, as he has two fathers. He will ask why he only has fathers, and his parents will explain to them that every individual and family situation is different; the child will accept that explanation, and should he grow up in a friendly, comforting, and accepting environment, he will come to understand as an adult that there is nothing wrong with being "different."
The only reason a child might start having second thoughts about the validity and value of his family in comparison to others is when someone comes up to him and tells him that his family isn't really a family at all; a real family has a mother and a father, and since he only has fathers, he doesn't have a family, or his family isn't as "good" and "whole" as a "real" family. That is what you are doing; sowing the seeds of doubt and confusion in his mind. People like you are the reason people like them have so many problems growing up.
Don't start in with the name calling,Then stop being moronic, idiotic, and homophobic.
and then threaten to tell on me like a kidWhen did I threaten to tell on you
because i don't agree.I don't mind people disagreeing with me. I just had a two-page discussion with Darth Sexy, someone who I generally never get along with, about our completely different views. It's only when you sound stupid - which is, in your case, pretty much always - that I'm going to come after you, especially on an issue as serious as this one.
Yes they are mixed up in the head.This is why I call you an idiot. You don't answer my questions, you don't actually address my points, and you continually parrot statements that have been dismantled multiple times over. Homosexuals are not mixed up in the head, they aren't confused, and they aren't misguided.
They are just accepted more nowadays.Just like black people.
If you say they are not mixed, then child molestors are also not mixed up in the head, because they also can not help being sexually attracted to children.Child molesters are imprisoned because they do bad things, not because they have bad thoughts. Raping someone isn't the same thing as fantasizing about having sex with her. That's often what separates those inside jail from those outside it; the ability or inability to control their impulses.
And i can name a girl i know that was raised with gay parents, and... well... you should take a look at her.The exception to the rule. Again, stop repeating the same horseshit over and over again. You're clearly mentally handicapped, and you were obviously raised by straight parents. Therefore, all people raised by straight parents - pretty much everybody, ever - is mentally handicapped?
No, that doesn't work. And obviously, the Hilton/Hitler analogy went straight over your head for the third time in a row.
Umm where the hell are you getting this from? When did i say we should not accept gays as people.I never said you said that. Make shit up, much?
I myself would not allow anyone of my children to be involved in a gay relationship. But when they turn 18, and that is the way they decide to live, well there would be nothing i can do. I would not hate them for it.Sure. You'd just your grandkids that they're being raised by ****.
You are not paying attention to what i am saying.I'm paying perfect attention to what you're "saying." You seem to be incapable of understanding or acknowledging anything I'm saying.
Why didn't your great-grandparents accept them? I at least gave a reason.Jesus Christ.
Can someone fluent in Tool please help?
Skin color is not a reason.Sure it is! Their cells are confused and mixed up, so they make blackness! Everybody knows that white people are natural and perfect and not at all mixed up!
Oh, and black people make bad parents, too. I know of, like, thirty million black kids who grew up with a super-straight homophobic parent who are into guns and drugs and gangs and rape and shit. White people? There's like, ten or twenty million bad eggs, but I'll ignore them because they inconvenience me and the point I'm proving myself incapable of making.