Originally posted by Ziggystardust
I am quite serious about all this Neph. The value of truth is self-evident. The pursuit of it needs no explanation. The fact that a growing chorus of institutional ruling elite is starting to think that some truths are best left locked in attic chest bodes, ill for the future of freedom of speech in America. I predict within ten years legislatures and courts across this land will impose restrictions on the First Amendment. And the Founding Fathers, having already rolled a million times in their graves, will roll one last time, and the earth will swallow whole the America we once knew, but which will be no more. You think I’m joking, or that I’m posing in martyr garb? Ok, think that. Then get back to me in ten years, and we’ll see if you still have the confidence of your snarky smirk.But I am in a magnanimous mood. Some ask the question from genuine motives. They sincerely don’t, or can’t, see the value in exposing pretty lies and ugly truths. And they want to know, “Where’s the Benefit?” One such topic of discussion which often elicits this bristled reaction is honest discussion about average human population groups differences (along numerous metrics). I understand the urge to silence, or cavalierly dismiss, open discussion of this topic. The human ego is the most powerful force in the universe. We are constructed of origin material that impels us to wrap our senses of self-worth in the neuronal equivalent of three foot steel-reinforced concrete bunkers, and to associate, no matter how unjustifiably, attacks against our tribe as judgments on ourselves.
I get it.
And… you know what? I don’t care.
Not anymore.
Not when the opposite of the truth — the filthy, acrid lies we here have been choking on for fifty years or more in both the US and the Uk — has been, and continues to be, used as a cudgel to bludgeon the skulls of the favored whipping boys and to take a huge steaming dump on reality.
Well, I don't live in America and apparently neither do you so I don't really feel perturbed by any of that.
You overplayed your hand though. I would have bought it if you'd just earnestly said you're for real, but this doomsday rant just proves you're full of shit. I'd suggest migrating to Stormfront, your spiel will find more traction there.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Ziggy, how is that you able to say so much, yet so little of actual value? Beyond the comedic of course.
You wanna talk about Value? Perhaps you you would like to know how things would change if the ugliest truths were accepted by the ruling class? In which case, there are practical benefits of hurting some people’s feelings for the greater good. I would ask you for ideas, but you can't even seem to come up with a rebuttal, let alone a clue. Thees are just some of the social benefits that would come from listening to the truth instead of running from it or trying to shut it down.
The Ziggy Manifesto
1. Immigration restriction.
- You need a certain number of high IQ people to keep a First World society going.
2. An end to affirmative action.
- Minority underperformance is not due to racism, so affirmative action is grossly unfair.
3. Discouraging dysgenics, i.e. not subsidizing single motherhood through welfare, regardless of disparate impact on minorities. See #1.
4. Shutting down movements to let minority prisoners out into society.
5. An end to blaming white racism for all the problems of the world.
- This may seem like mostly a minor annoyance. But really intellectual hygeine is reason enough to get rid of it. Forcing people to believe lies is generally corrupting.
5b. It prevents people from thinking seriously about solving the problems among low IQ groups. You can’t solve a problem unless you think clearly about its cause.
Whites have created liberal modernity and it is not without its significant downsides, spiritual, artistic and even intellectual. Of course, blacks and many of these other groups don’t seem very good at creating and maintaining a crime free, high tech society. Though I’d note that high levels of black crime and social dysfunction are at least partially a response to living in certain societies. I’ve visited St. Lucia, which is a very black place, and, up until the recent influx of tourodollars, it had been mostly crime free and is still relatively so. Blacks in the South up until the 1960s were relatively peaceful and well ordered too. But modernity + blacks seems to equal lots of crime and social dysfunction.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well, I don't live in America and apparently neither do you so I don't really feel perturbed by any of that.You overplayed your hand though. I would have bought it if you'd just earnestly said you're for real, but this doomsday rant just proves you're full of shit. I'd suggest migrating to Stormfront, your spiel will find more traction there.
Fine. Let's clear up 3 things.
I am a fast typist
I am american born - willimington, currently living in the UK
I am very real about this shit
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
You wanna talk about Value? Perhaps you you would like to know how things would change if the ugliest truths were accepted by the ruling class? In which case, there are practical benefits of hurting some people’s feelings for the greater good. I would ask you for ideas, but you can't even seem to come up with a rebuttal, let alone a clue. Thees are just some of the social benefits that would come from listening to the truth instead of running from it or trying to shut it down.The Ziggy Manifesto
1. Immigration restriction.
- You need a certain number of high IQ people to keep a First World society going.
2. An end to affirmative action.
- Minority underperformance is not due to racism, so affirmative action is grossly unfair.
3. Discouraging dysgenics, i.e. not subsidizing single motherhood through welfare, regardless of disparate impact on minorities. See #1.
4. Shutting down movements to let minority prisoners out into society.
5. An end to blaming white racism for all the problems of the world.
- This may seem like mostly a minor annoyance. But really intellectual hygeine is reason enough to get rid of it. Forcing people to believe lies is generally corrupting.
5b. It prevents people from thinking seriously about solving the problems among low IQ groups. You can’t solve a problem unless you think clearly about its cause.Whites have created liberal modernity and it is not without its significant downsides, spiritual, artistic and even intellectual. Of course, blacks and many of these other groups don’t seem very good at creating and maintaining a crime free, high tech society. Though I’d note that high levels of black crime and social dysfunction are at least partially a response to living in certain societies. I’ve visited St. Lucia, which is a very black place, and, up until the recent influx of tourodollars, it had been mostly crime free and is still relatively so. Blacks in the South up until the 1960s were relatively peaceful and well ordered too. But modernity + blacks seems to equal lots of crime and social dysfunction.