can't believe there are some who think america should legalize the drugs. there are also votes in other states and i hope they reject it. if it is legalized then it will become common and people will do it constantly and people will die from the drugs. better to have it not legal or only for medical purposes so then it'll only be a thing some people do. this is a worrying trend and i'm glad hillary has not just immediately jumped on the bandwagon and is thinking of careful solutions.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66and i don't know who that is lmao. you have to be clearer. i guess sock is your name for a troller and this jack was a troll? just because i say things that are out of the norm does not mean i am a troll but i should expect it after what happened to chelsea clinton when she spoke out against the drugs and said they were killing people on some occasions and then the far left wing bashed her for it.
That's something Jack would say.
Originally posted by carthagelol i am not a bot and i am not a troll. i am a human being but i am very political so sorry about that. this election makes me angry about trump which is why i come here sometimes to express these opinions. other people express there opinions and no one protests but when i do it it is a bad thing??? also i am not a troll as i comment on the threads and contribute but i get a lot of hate but that doesn't mean i'm wrong. dont just jump on the bandwagon and lash out at me just because its cool please look at the bigger picture.
Why do Star Wars forums always attract ****ing weirdos? First That Ragnos guy, a dude who writes rap songs, Revanchiste, and now this Clintonbot troll
Originally posted by aalyasecura95
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2016/10/20/poll-arizona-voters-still-split-on-prop-205-to-legalize-marijuana/can't believe there are some who think america should legalize the drugs. there are also votes in other states and i hope they reject it. if it is legalized then it will become common and people will do it constantly and people will die from the drugs. better to have it not legal or only for medical purposes so then it'll only be a thing some people do. this is a worrying trend and i'm glad hillary has not just immediately jumped on the bandwagon and is thinking of careful solutions.
1. You can't overdose on marijuana, so nobody is gonna ****ing die from it lol. I suppose some people would drive stoned and die, but people find stupid ways to kill themselves regardless of whether or not they have weed, and the number of accidental deaths tied to weed would be statistically nothing next to the deaths caused by the war on drugs and the number of lives taken by criminal punishment for such a morally innocent act.
2. Marijuana is not chemically addictive, unlike nicotine, alcohol, various prescription drugs, and even ****ing caffeine. That's right, you are more likely to form a dependency on your morning cup of coffee than weed, a significant percentage of the american population consume caffeine on a daily basis, and I'm not seeing some great societal collapse because of it.
3. Scientific study has definitively tied marijuana to cancer. In fact, research suggests THC and CBD, the two primary compounds in marijuana, help prevent tumor growth and help kill cancerous cells. As a side-note, studies also suggest CBD improves the strength and healing of bones.
4. The stigma against altered states of consciousness is unfounded. Every action we take is made with the intent of altering our perceptions in a way that is pleasurable to us, and our minds are in constant flux, so it's hypocritical and ignorant to suggest that our minds are something we are not allowed to alter. Our perception of reality is subjective, and there is insight to be gleaned from viewing the world from multiple states of consciousness as it literally lets you see the world from a different perspective. Several of my most profound epiphanies, bonding experiences with friends, and periods of self growth in fact have been the result of me partaking in a mind altering substance, be it weed, alcohol, psychedelics, etc, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I'm a much better person for it. If our perception of reality is so important, we should be encouraged to experiment with it for the sake of experiences of great recreational and intellectual value, not live in fear of it.
5. The fiscal reality of enforcing the prohibition of marijuana is that it costs the government tens of billions of dollars a year in taxpayer money, not to mention the money lost by having people imprisoned rather than living as contributing members of the national economy. By contrast, Colorado legalized weed, and the state at one point literally took in so much tax money from the legalized weed that they had more tax money than they were allowed to take from taxpayers so they had to give some of the money back in form of tax rebates. Marijuana isn't even legal on a federal level or in most states, and it's still one of the fastest growing industries in America. The continued criminalization of marijuana on a federal level and in most states represents a frankly embarrassing misuse of an economic opportunity in favor of wasting money.
So to recap, criminalizing marijuana allows the government to take people's money, years of their lives from them, and mark them with a permanent criminal record... for consuming a substance safer than coffee... all because of some morally unjustified societal norm that our society arbitrarily doesn't apply to more dangerous substances such as alcohol and pharmaceuticals. Doing this leads us to not only pass up a great economic opportunity, but waste tens of billions of taxpayer dollars a year on a law that doesn't even make sense, and ignore the various medical benefits marijuana possesses.
As far as so many politicians not wanting to legalize weed, or wanting to take a long-ass time to do it to "make sure its done right", I'm not sure if that's them being ignorant, them being pussies, them being corrupt (the biggest lobbyists against legalizing weed are alcohol companies, tobacco companies, privately owned prisons, and pharmaceutical companies), or simply them trying to preserve their political image in a society influenced by various unjustified stigmas and norms, but quite frankly, you could legalize marijuana on a federal level and every state level with no special regulation, and it would still be a much much better way of handling marijuana than what our government is currently doing.
Originally posted by Emperordmbno i'm not thank you. also the people who take marijuana regularly are basically addicted so they won't get off it and will cause problems in society. there are many people who would die indirectly. also there are more things to drugs then deaths. there are effects on are society which haven't been assessed. please watch this for more info
Are you retarded or something?1. You can't overdose on marijuana, so nobody is gonna ****ing die from it lol. I suppose some people would drive stoned and die, but people find stupid ways to kill themselves regardless of whether or not they have weed, and the number of accidental deaths tied to weed would be statistically nothing next to the deaths caused by the war on drugs and the number of lives taken by criminal punishment for such a morally innocent act.
Originally posted by Emperordmbright but there are junkies who take it all the time and it has bad effects which go beyond deaths. also a cup of coffee doesn't affect your productivity and make you into a junkie so yes i'd much prefer that. that is a false equivalence right there. caffeine increases productivity and makes us more awake without giving us the hallucinating crazy stuff and possible heart attack from them because of increased heart rate as i have heard.2. Marijuana is not chemically addictive, unlike nicotine, alcohol, various prescription drugs, and even ****ing caffeine. That's right, you are more likely to form a dependency on your morning cup of coffee than weed, a significant percentage of the american population consume caffeine on a daily basis, and I'm not seeing some great societal collapse because of it.
Originally posted by Emperordmbi believe i mentioned that medical purposes are okay. what i'm against is the junkies who take it and are on handouts and want it legalized because they dont want to get into trouble for selling it to people like kids. thats not all of marijuana users but we know that there are a lot of those kind out there. if there is use for it sure but have it prescribed dont just give out to any random person as it may make them worse3. Scientific study has definitively tied marijuana to cancer. In fact, research suggests THC and CBD, the two primary compounds in marijuana, help prevent tumor growth and help kill cancerous cells. As a side-note, studies also suggest CBD improves the strength and healing of bones.
Originally posted by Emperordmbour body is supposed to be a temple of the holy spirit, you cannot just put these substances in there. yes they may have granted you some temporary rewards but it is making you a junkie and dependent which means you will lose money and not live life to its proper fullest. pleasure for the sake of pleasure is this what the western world has come to? i'm okay with progressive things but the far left is going to far with this. remember that america is a christian country.... also let's not forget that the good effects of marijuana may actually hurt some people as they may have a mental condition and take it and then become worse because the marijuana is covering it up. marijuana has also been linked to stuff like scizophrenia. thats a minority but we have to be careful because a minority still means people are affected. it only takes one person to do something crazy or violent and then everyone suffers.4. The stigma against altered states of consciousness is unfounded. Every action we take is made with the intent of altering our perceptions in a way that is pleasurable to us, and our minds are in constant flux, so it's hypocritical and ignorant to suggest that our minds are something we are not allowed to alter. Our perception of reality is subjective, and there is insight to be gleaned from viewing the world from multiple states of consciousness as it literally lets you see the world from a different perspective. Several of my most profound epiphanies, bonding experiences with friends, and periods of self growth in fact have been the result of me partaking in a mind altering substance, be it weed, alcohol, psychedelics, etc, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I'm a much better person for it. If our perception of reality is so important, we should be encouraged to experiment with it for the sake of experiences of great recreational and intellectual value, not live in fear of it.
Originally posted by Emperordmbtens of billions of dollars only for the entire country? maybe thats why the drug war has been failing because it never happened and was targeting the wrong people like the non-violent people who can be rehabilitated. we haven't been serious about cracking down on the dealers and educating our kids on the dangers of taking drugs. we need to say its not cool to take the drugs and invest more into our cities to make them better so that kids won't have to resort to that. also there are more things than just plain money. sure they got a decent amount but that was through encouraging the selling of drugs to youngster in legalized setting. imagine how easy it will be for young children to get involved and that will be a gateway to more drugs. also i think that having more taxes isn't going to help the cyniscism that people have with our government....5. The fiscal reality of enforcing the prohibition of marijuana is that it costs the government tens of billions of dollars a year in taxpayer money, not to mention the money lost by having people imprisoned rather than living as contributing members of the national economy. By contrast, Colorado legalized weed, and the state at one point literally took in so much tax money from the legalized weed that they had more tax money than they were allowed to take from taxpayers so they had to give some of the money back in form of tax rebates. Marijuana isn't even legal on a federal level or in most states, and it's still one of the fastest growing industries in America. The continued criminalization of marijuana on a federal level and in most states represents a frankly embarrassing misuse of an economic opportunity in favor of wasting money.
Originally posted by Emperordmbgive me a break. coffee is not more dangerous than marijuana lmao. just look at this article and tell me that it is more dangerous. it definitely has effects and we cant have the government doing drug socialism and giving out drugs to people.So to recap, criminalizing marijuana allows the government to take people's money, years of their lives from them, and mark them with a permanent criminal record... for consuming a substance safer than coffee... all because of some morally unjustified societal norm that our society arbitrarily doesn't apply to more dangerous substances such as alcohol and pharmaceuticals. Doing this leads us to not only pass up a great economic opportunity, but waste tens of billions of taxpayer dollars a year on a law that doesn't even make sense, and ignore the various medical benefits marijuana possesses.
As far as so many politicians not wanting to legalize weed, or wanting to take a long-ass time to do it to "make sure its done right", I'm not sure if that's them being ignorant, them being pussies, them being corrupt (the biggest lobbyists against legalizing weed are alcohol companies, tobacco companies, privately owned prisons, and pharmaceutical companies), or simply them trying to preserve their political image in a society influenced by various unjustified stigmas and norms, but quite frankly, you could legalize marijuana on a federal level and every state level with no special regulation, and it would still be a much much better way of handling marijuana than what our government is currently doing.
http://www.muirwoodteen.com/teen-marijuana-abuse/brain/
does coffee do this? no, it actually stimulates the brain without the damaging side effects.
also i'm not saying that non-violent people should be thrown in jail but there should be rehabitiliation program and investment in jobs so they can have proper lives and be more productive. that is why i'm aligned with hillary because she is accepting to that while not buying into the far left rhetoric of pot legalisation for the fullest which would be very bad in this time when there are riots in are cities. also calling politicians pussies is offensive some of them are hard working politicians like hillary. of course they want it done right because they have kids and don't want them to have a gateway to the criminal underworld. there are a silent majority who have not bought into this as the polls in the states that want to legalize show. legalisation for pot is leading but there are many undecideds and i can bet you that many of the pot smokers wont even turn up because they haven't felt the massive implicacions of the drugs on their society. one day we may look back and say we made a terrible mistake. do you want to be that person?