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Look I've always adopted a "what people do in their private lives is their business" mindset. I agree that the criminalization of Marijuana and the War on Drugs has been a disaster. The treatment of the people that were charged with possession and distribution of marijuana is outrageous, as are their sentences. I like wise agree that Marijuana should be legalized, regulated and sold like a controlled substances such as Alcohol or Cigarettes.

I support all of that. Justice must be done. However. Personally I don't like marijuana. And i can say that I won't do Marijuana anytime soon. I have a female friend who does it. You were also one of those former friends along with Sinious. She enjoys it. I don't. You and Sinious enjoy it. I do not.

It's something I am adverse to participating in myself, but I'm not going to consider it a negative thing for the people who actually find value in it.

But you already consider it a negative thing by associating it with negative language. Therefore you take away whatever value that has and begin to make people feel ashamed. The damage is done

If you're saying you don't consider it a productive use of your time fair enough. If you're saying anyone's recreational use of it is stupid, then that's an unfair assertion.

Ah but what about Cigarettes? If memory serves me right you called this stupid despite it being used recreationally? Is that not an unfair assertion? If these people use tabbaco to help alleviate they're stress then who are you to judge?

My point in all this. I don't care if people so smoke weed, cigars or drink Jaeger bombs. I think its stupid to do so. But i won't start treating them like a sub human race. All I ask is not to be in a situations where they're doing stuff like that or that i simply not be invited. So it's fine to call something stupid dmb. We've all done it. It doesn't mean I'm for the incarceration of all stoners. I hope I made my point

Tl:dr I'm boring and I want wine.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Weed makes people docile, not aggressive, so unless you're driving a car you almost certainly aren't going to be a threat for society.

If you exercise common sense and don't drive while inebriated, you aren't going to be a threat to society.

Have you ever been under the influence of mind-altering substances? You're still you lol, and you still have the power of free will.

Or performing any other action that could potentially endanger people. Can you, for a 100%, be sure that your common sense wouldn't falter or change when under the influence of these substances?

Besides alcohol? No. You're right that you still have "the power of free will " yet these substances still influence your thinking process (e.g. danger sense) so while you can still decide what you do or do not, the limits you normally have for yourself are affected.

Actually iiirc a study found that marijuana expanded the sense.

Don't quote me on that though.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Actually iiirc a study found that marijuana expanded the sense.

Don't quote me on that though.

Could be, I'll have to look into that.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Or performing any other action that could potentially endanger people. Can you, for a 100%, be sure that your common sense wouldn't falter or change when under the influence of these substances?

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Besides alcohol? No. You're right that you still have "the power of free will " yet these substances still influence your thinking process (e.g. danger sense) so while you can still decide what you do or do not, the limits you normally have for yourself are affected.

Arguing that because drugs alter our perceptions and consciousness they are therefore bad falls flat as an argument because our perceptions, consciousnesses, and ways of thinking and behaving are in a constant state of flux from moment to moment, and also because perception is a subjective thing.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
An action like what? Aside from handling heavy machinery/driving (which any person with common sense knows to avoid while under the influence), or violence (which weed typically motivates people against), what else?

Our consciousnesses and perceptions are in constant states of flux and alteration, based on emotional state, tiredness, what we happen to be thinking about at the time, what we experienced in the near or distant past, etc.

Arguing that because drugs alter our perceptions and consciousness they are therefore bad falls flat as an argument because our perceptions, consciousnesses, and ways of thinking and behaving are in a constant state of flux from moment to moment, and also because perception is a subjective thing.

I'm more talking about machinery in general (e.g. facotries).

Exactly so why add an extra factor to that if it's already a variable? Saying that because it's already an uncertainty it can't hurt to extra influence it seems to be along the line "I hit that guy because he's already hurt".

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
I'm more talking about machinery in general (e.g. facotries).

It's common knowledge that you shouldn't **** with vehicles or heavy machinery while under the influence.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Exactly so why add an extra factor to that if it's already a variable? Saying that because it's already an uncertainty it can't hurt to extra influence it seems to be along the line "I hit that guy because he's already hurt".

I'm saying a different state of mind isn't necessarily a bad thing. Altering the way we think and view things is what allows us to develop and grow as people, and what allows us to consider perspectives other than our own. And everything we do is done with the intent of altering ourselves to a more pleasurable state of mind.

For example, when I started smoking weed, I became much less bitter and aggressive as a person even when I was sober, and even while sober had a more positive outlook on life and more positive interactions with other people. My experiences with LSD have lead me to become a more open-minded and loving person, and taught me to let go of hatred and negative relationships with other people, and I am a much happier person and have a less negative impact on the lives of others because of this.

This notion that altering your perception is a bad thing and should be avoided is quite frankly a faulty notion. Let people choose to partake in mind-altering substances, and if they don't hurt anyone and are being responsible, good for them they aren't doing anything wrong.

If people take drugs and do bad shit, hold them accountable for the decisions they made and deal with them accordingly, don't ruin it for the responsible people who partake in mind altering substances just because some people are irresponsible jackasses.

Mind altering substances aren't necessarily good, bad, responsible, or irresponsible. They are a utility, and if someone misuses them, hold them accountable, if they're using them right, let them because they clearly have a handle on what they're doing and are responsible.

What a change of tone from when we were discussing it dmb.

I almost feel special:3

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Originally posted by Emperordmb
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Ignore it lmao

Originally posted by Emperordmb
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Originally posted by Ursumeles
He loves u

I'll turn you to...dust 😉

I'll blitz you before🙂

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy

I'll turn you to...dust 😉

Originally posted by cs_zoltan

You laugh at my Widow play now. But when I join the masterrace you gon be like "Fated go Widow we need you omg"

And imma be there like:

On PC you actually have to aim tho 🙂

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
On PC you actually have to aim tho 🙂

What would you know about aiming, when you just left and right click? Mr. Mercy Main 😉

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
What would you know about aiming, when you just left and right click? Mr. Mercy Main 😉

Mercy still has a projectile pistol you cheap hitscan main 🙂

Klay Thompson had one of the 5 greatest scoring performances in NBA history last night. 🙂

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Mercy still has a projectile pistol you cheap hitscan main 🙂

Touche. I think we can both agree that our mains our both better than Hanzo tho.