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Originally posted by Deronn_solo
But Petrus, Ryan put up 40 points, 2 weeks straight without Julio, lmao.Not like Jordy Nelson himself isn't a top 5-6 WR, because he knew kinda is.
It's obviously not just Julio. Their running game is very good, too. Green Bay has none. At least not a consistent one.
And sure, Jordy is a a top WR as well, but Julio > Jordy, and that's not even up for debate. Either way, when you watch Packer games, it's very easy to notice that a lot of the time Rodgers takes more than 4 seconds to get rid of the ball because his WRs don't create separation fast enough, and he still manages to score TDs and move the ball.
Also, he has 44 total TDs, as opposed to Ryan's 38. He has that rushing ability and feet quickness that Ryan lacks, and he's used it thoroughly throughout the year to create opportunities.
It's not just Julio, tbh. Falcons run game makes it easier for Ryan
So what? I'm not going to punish a player for playing with better teammates, because new flash: a good majority of the time when a, players wins MVP, it's because I they have a great team around them.
How they utilize said talent, is another thing entirely. Despite the Falcons giving up nearly 30 points for a good chunk of the year, Matt Ryan still consistently won, or had them in position to this entire year. Leading the league in QB efficiency, tossing the second most passing yards, and TD passers.
Like it or not, Rodgers didn't play all too good in a number of games this year, missing easy throws he can normally make in his sleep. I'm not going to ignore those games because he ran the table, and beat, like, no really good teams throughout the 6 game entire stretch.
Aaron called his shot, and came through.
"I think we can run the table", something everyone says in a situation like that, is hardly calling any shot, lmao.
Aaron's more valuable than Matt Ryan is when you consider their respective personnel
Hardly as much as you spin it. Replace Ryan with an average QB, Falcons aren't close to being a playoff contender.
and then the fact that the Falcons only won 1 more game.
You can blame a tougher schedule and absolute horrible defense by the Falcons for that. In the games the Packers did win, the defense played admirable. Even in the Falcons wins they've had to outscore their opponents 30+ onslaughts.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
So what? I'm not going to punish a player for playing with better teammates, because new flash: a good majority of the time when a, players wins MVP, it's because I they have a great team around them.
How they utilize said talent, is another thing entirely. Despite the Falcons giving up nearly 30 points for a good chunk of the year, Matt Ryan still consistently won, or had them in position to this entire year. Leading the league in QB efficiency, tossing the second most passing yards, and TD passers.
That's not the point. A player literally becomes more valuable when he compensates for a lack of strength in certain areas of his team. Ryan compensates for his bad defense. So does Rodgers. But Ryan does not have to compensate for his running game, because it is very good. Rodgers, on the other hand, has to compensate for it, and does it brilliantly.
Also, you say that 'despite the Falcons giving up nearly 30 points for a good chunk of the year', he still consistently won. Well, despite his WRs not being able to create good separation on DBs and the absolute lack of a good, consistent running game, Rodgers still won. The big difference between this, however, is that the defense is a completely different entity, and Matt Ryan doesn't directly compensate for them. He'd still score a lot of points if the defense was better. Rodgers has to directly compensate for weaknesses in the offense he plays in. Ryan hasn't needed to compensate for offensive weaknesses, because his team has none. As an offensive weapon, Rodgers is significantly more valuable.
Like it or not, Rodgers didn't play all too good in a number of games this year, missing easy throws he can normally make in his sleep. I'm not going to ignore those games because he ran the table, and beat, like, no really good teams throughout the 6 game entire stretch.
He played badly only in a couple of games, but overall, he's played from very good to extraordinary football. As I've said, during the four game losing stretch GB went through, his QBR was a consistent 100, he led the team in rushing yards and maintained himself in the top 3 in terms of passing TDs.
Yeah, during that six game span, he beat three playoff teams, and actually absolutely dismantled the Seahawks. If you think the Seahawks are not a good team, I don't know what football world you live in. Also, the Texans and Vikings boast two of the highest ranked defenses in the league, and Aaron beat them handily.
"I think we can run the table", something everyone says in a situation like that, is hardly calling any shot, lmao.
It's calling the shot. He thought he could run the table. They did. As if Rodgers wasn't known for calling the shots.
Hardly as much as you spin it. Replace Ryan with an average QB, Falcons aren't close to being a playoff contender.
They'd still be in a better position than the Packers.
Not only that, but as I've said before, Ryan scored 38 TDs as opposed to Rodgers' 44. That's a significant difference.
That's not the point. A player literally becomes more valuable when he compensates for a lack of strength in certain areas of his team. Ryan compensates for his bad defense. So does Rodgers. But Ryan does not have to compensate for his running game, because it is very good. Rodgers, on the other hand, has to compensate for it, and does it brilliantly. Also, you say that 'despite the Falcons giving up nearly 30 points for a good chunk of the year', he still consistently won. Well, despite his WRs not being able to create good separation on DBs and the absolute lack of a good, consistent running game, Rodgers still won.
Truth be told, I believe you're underselling the Packers running game a bit. During the 6 game win streak, Ty has been pretty darn good, and the Packers running game as a whole hasn't been too bad in general. Over 100 rushing yards a game and a 5.5 rush average [tied With Atlanta in that regard btw] isn't as bad as you're tying to spin it. I mean, it wasn't great by any stretch of the word, but it wasn't bad either.So nah, Rodgers isn't nearly compensating for his running game much as you're saying he is.Ryan's running game is better, sure, but Matty Ice's passing game is surely helping Freeman and those boys out a bunch. As for the lack of consistent seperation, mind posting any actual emperical evidence for this rather then the sometimes faulty "eye ball" test?Either way, Devante and Jordy are damn good receivers regardless.
The big difference between this, however, is that the defense is a completely different entity, and Matt Ryan doesn't directly compensate for them.LMAO.It may not be something he has to "directly" compensate for his defense, but the pressure of dealing with a 30 points or lose, situation for a QB, and the entire offense, is indeed a great one indeed. You feel you MUST score every time you get the ball, and you try to complete throws and plays you normally wouldn't. Hence the higher risk throws and the unessecary extending of plays.Despite it all, Matt Ryan still remained the most efficient QB in the NFL, per all major metrics by a rather comfortable amount.
He played badly only in a couple of games, but overall, he's played from very good to extraordinary football. As I've said, during the four game losing stretch GB went through, his QBR was a consistent 100, he led the team in rushing yards and maintained himself in the top 3 in terms of passing TDs.He wasn't very good vs Vikings, Dallas, or Jax. Early on, his yards per dropback was rather awful, and his accuracy was off because he wasn't setting his feet when he threw. Sure as a whole he has been awesome, but those bad games he had, some via his own mental mistake and miscues, was absent for Matt Ryan pretty much the entire year.
Yeah, during that six game span, he beat three playoff teams, and actually absolutely dismantled the Seahawks.Texans are simply a product of their environment. They're the tallest midget in a garbage division; mainly why out of their decision their record is rather horrible, sorry if I'm not all that impressed with them. Detroit really isn't all that good either. They prolly beat, like 1-2 over .500 ball this entire year, if even that, and their rankings as a whole reflect on that.
It's calling the shot. He thought he could run the table. They did. As if Rodgers wasn't known for calling the shots.
Yeah, as I said before, he didn't say anything any other players wouldn't have said in that situation. Even then, thinking they could, not emphatically saying they will, isn't any kind of meaningful prediction anyway.
Even so, who cares? It has absolutely no barring on the MVP award to me.
Not only that, but as I've said before, Ryan scored 38 TDs as opposed to Rodgers' 44. That's a significant difference.
And Matt Ryan is better in almost every other meaningful stat. Yards, Yards per attempt, completion percentage, QBR, Total QBR, INT percentage, etc.
Coming into the season, Atlanta was only a decently talented offense, no more, no less. Matt Ryan took that offense, and did something absolutely historic with it.
You've made some points, so we might as well agree to disagree.
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I'm glad the Russians helped defeat Clinton. Far better than going to war with them if we ended up having her.
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Clinton supporters would rather have World War III and a Clinton presidency than peace between Russia and the USA and a Trump presidency?😱
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