The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by Deronn_solo3,287 pages

Yeah, my dad is a Patriots fan, and he never shuts up about their greatness and how Brady is the Michael Jordan of the NFL and how he is >>> Every other QB.

If they won, I would never ever hear the end of it. NEVER.

Your dad and other 15 million people. Besides, I'm tired shitless of the 'because he's won the most SBs it means he's the greatest' argument.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Eh I use em interchangeably.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
No one I'd associate myself with.

Same. Also

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
RIP

NG kinda wrecked lol

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Which wouldn't be all that possible without a QB like Brady, lmao. Or tell me what Bill was doing with the Browns and pre-Brady Patriots all those years. Brady is like an offensive coordinator on the field, and is a pre-snap master at the line.

They do need each other but the defenses were ranked pretty high up when they won. Brady can't make the throes down the field or move like Rosgers. Skill wise Brady has glaring weaknesses and can't move. Eli also out clutched him twice in two sbowls against superior teams. Aaron has no weaknesses while Brady does. It is undeniable.


Yeah, the room for improvement with Dallas is astronomical, and despite how good them guys were, they were still rookies, and a rookie QB has NEVER started out of the starting 100 in the past. So the odds was certainly not in Dak's favor.

Skills can be developed, yes. Rodgers wasn't the talented monster he is now when he first entered the league you know. Anyway, why even latch on to hypotheticals likely years down the line?

Why should I care about an idiot like Bayless? 😂 And the rest of your post is just rambling in attempts to trigger me as a Cowboy fan, lmao. [/B]

records are made to be broken. Most rookies don't have that o line or that rushing attack which makes his job a lot easier.

Rodgers has no weaknesses and has skill that has only been seen one time in the sbowl era. We can make a bet about that shit bag Dak but here's food for thought. When defenses want to stop the Packers its Aaron Rodgers they game plan for. When they try to stop the strength of the Cowboys it's the rushing attack not Dak. This is all pretty simple. Dak isn't the strength of his team. Give Aaron Rodgers that offense of Dallas and they win the sbowl. Easily.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah, my dad is a Patriots fan, and he never shuts up about their greatness and how Brady is the Michael Jordan of the NFL and how he is >>> Every other QB.

If they won, I would never ever hear the end of it. NEVER.

Your dad is dead wrong. Ask him about the 18-1 season in which Brady was held to an embarrassing 14 points against a 10-6 Giants six seed. Brady got his rematch and lost to a 9-7 Giants squad. Jordan never lost in the finals and Brady took two L's against inferior teams.

Montana is Jordan, Rodgers is Lebron.

Originally posted by Petrus
Your dad and other 15 million people. Besides, I'm tired shitless of the 'because he's won the most SBs it means he's the greatest' argument.

Agreed. Now the question I ask every NFL fan sooner or later: Who are your top 5 QB's of all time?

The *best* quarterbacks of all time are:

1. Rodgers
2. Montana
3. Brady
4. Manning
5. Steve Young

IMO. In terms of career success/accolades, it's:

1. Montana
2. Brady
3. Manning
4-5: some duo of Elway/Rodgers/Young/etc.

In terms of giving my team the best chance of winning with a championship with equal talent, in my opinion:

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Peyton Manning/Joe Montana
4. Joe Montana/Peyton Manning
5. Johnny Unitas

Success and Accolades
1. Tom Brady
2. Joe Montana
3. Peyton Manning
4. Otto Graham
5. John Elway/Johnny U

[...]

Marino was omitted because he faltered when it mattered, in the playoffs, and he was a known stat padder.

I would rank Brees high too, but him playing on shit teams destroys him in the long run.

He sits there above Marino/Favre/Steve Young, IMO.

I actually would put Steve Young over Marino.

What about Eli Manning and Big Ben?

Eli isn't even top 20 for me.

Ben is probably top 15 or 20.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I would rank Brees high too, but him playing on shit teams destroys him in the long run.

He sits there above Marino/Favre/Steve Young, IMO.

Steve Young > Brees > Marino > Favre.

Agreed on Eli and Ben. 👆

I'd tank them Steve > Brees > Favre > Marino.

Though Brees career is still going --- if he adds another two 5,000 passing to go along with 30 + TD's and a playoffs run or two, I'm ranking him above Steve. Peak Favre won 3 straight MVP's and a chip, so that's why I give him the slight edge over the more talented Dan The Man.

Not sure if Brees racking up more statistics puts him above Young. Young led the league in QBR an NFL-record 6 times, plus he has 2 MVPs to Brees' 0. I think Brees needs either an MVP or another SB to be above Young, tbh.

Fair on Favre vs Marino, I picked Marino because of his talent, and his racking up passing stats that are still impressive by today's standards, in an era where passing wasn't nearly as prevalent as today.

i recommend NOT expressing any sort of interest in the military in school because recruiters are RELENTLESS

lol

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Sorry to interrupt the game talk lads. But i have a question for our 14-18 year old members.

Do y'all actually use the term "lit" instead of cool now? Cuz i here it a lot from that age group and it makes me want to personally kamikaze their home

I hear it a bit. Not that much.

EDIT: Nvm, 14-18 year olds only. Although I doubt it'd be that much different with them.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Sorry to interrupt the game talk lads. But i have a question for our 14-18 year old members.

Do y'all actually use the term "lit" instead of cool now? Cuz i here it a lot from that age group and it makes me want to personally kamikaze their home

Never IRL have I used that term. The only time I hear it is when kids use it sort of sarcastically, tbh.