The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

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Originally posted by Kurk
You're at Texas of Austin? Not an easy school to get into. Good job.

Thanks, specifically I'm in the Cockrell School of Engineering at UT studying mechanical engineering.

One person died and at least two others were injured. There hasn't been an official confirmation as to the motives, but rumor around campus is that they were targeting frat boys.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Thanks, specifically I'm in the Cockrell School of Engineering at UT studying mechanical engineering.

One person died and at least two others were injured. There hasn't been an official confirmation as to the motives, but rumor around campus is that they were targeting frat boys.

Nice. Mechanical engineering is my personal favorite and I would've pursued it had I been better at math. Biochem is more of my niche.

Frat boys? Beni better be watching his ass.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice

Yes.

Noted. Why?

Conservatives believe in global warming, so this is retarded.

I wasn't aware it was generally accepted that conservatives believed global warming was actually caused by humans and not by natural means...

Yes.

Why do you not believe healthcare should be available to everyone?

This isn't a conservative issue. Not that it matters when literally everyone profiles. A private company can do whatever it wants. The government? No.

It certainly is. A lot of conservatives believe Muslims or people from Middle Eastern countries in general should either not be allowed into the US at all or be profiled and double-checked in airport security just because they're Muslims/arabs.

Most liberals strongly oppose either of these options.

Considering the state shouldn't be involved in marriage at all, I really don't care.

But do you personally believe homosexual people should have the right to marry?

Are you asking a nigga does war exist? Because I'm pretty sure war exists. And duh, I think there are some wars worth fighting. That also isn't a conservative position. Liberals fight wars. They started a few in the Middle East, if you forgot.

True, but it just seems that conservatives are way more open to bombing the shit out of other countries these days.

I could agree with everyone of these stances and not be a conservative. Which I'm not, for the record. [/B]

Nah. A liberal at least definitely supports same-sex marriage and opposes strict airport security profiling.

Really? I always thought you were conservative.

Originally posted by Kurk
Frat boys? Beni better be watching his ass.
😕

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Thanks, specifically I'm in the Cockrell School of Engineering at UT studying mechanical engineering.

One person died and at least two others were injured. There hasn't been an official confirmation as to the motives, but rumor around campus is that they were targeting frat boys.

Damn. Joker assured me the hitman was the man for the job....

Anyone know how to get a refund via bitcoin?

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Damn. Joker assured me the hitman was the man for the job....

Anyone know how to get a refund via bitcoin?

lol. What's not to like about DMB?

Shit my monitor is about to die; I'm getting random pink-strip flashes

Originally posted by Kurk
lol. What's not to like about DMB?

Is that a trick question?

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Is that a trick question?
I actually have never seen him do anything douchebaggy

Originally posted by Kurk
I actually have never seen him do anything douchebaggy

I'm a making a joke.

Obvs I don't want him dead or think he's a total douchebag.

@Petrus: 'Most liberals' or 'the majority of conservatives' thinking along the same lines doesn't make the thought liberal or conservative in nature. They're pretty soundly defined political beliefs, or ways of thinking, the fact most conservatives are dumb enough to believe climate change isn't our problem doesn't make it a conservative viewpoint. The viewpoint was in no way influenced by their status as a conservative.

You're also not clarifying the difference between economically liberal or socially liberal, and the same with conservative. For example, the 'conservative party' in the U.K. is by far the most economically liberal* major party in our country. You could say the same thing for the Republicans.

*when you take the actual definition of liberal, not using 'liberal' to just mean 'left winger'.

Rangers win

Originally posted by Selenial
@Petrus: 'Most liberals' or 'the majority of conservatives' thinking along the same lines doesn't make the thought liberal or conservative in nature.

I understand that, but there are specific topics in which most people of each party think similarily. At least as far as I've seen, I considered those topics to be the ones I asked Freshest about. I suppose I should've made that clear from the beginning.

You're also not clarifying the difference between economically liberal or socially liberal, and the same with conservative.

I assumed the questions on the topics I chose to ask made it pretty clear. Same-sex marriage: social issue.
Healthcare system: economics issue.
Etc.

But if needed I'll gladly clarify.

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Originally posted by Petrus
Noted. Why?

I don't think the government should be allowed to tell you what to buy, and I don't think the government should have a monopoly on force.

I wasn't aware it was generally accepted that conservatives believed global warming was actually caused by humans and not by natural means...

You didn't even ask this question. You asked if they believe in global warming, and whether one is conservative or liberal, you should care more about evidence than anything.


Why do you not believe healthcare should be available to everyone?

Because healthcare is a service, not a right. A right is something that should be defended at all costs. At gunpoint. If you aren't willing to kill for it, it's not a right. It's a privilege. Access to healthcare is a right. Having someone treat you is not. It's their decision if they'll treat you or not. It's also incredibly unsuccessful pretty much everywhere government run healthcare actually is. I don't want the government being able to decide if I live or die. The general hospital in America is the super hospital of Canada. Only worse because only the rich have access to that. If that is the world you want to live in, all the power to you.


It certainly is. A lot of conservatives believe Muslims or people from Middle Eastern countries in general should either not be allowed into the US at all or be profiled and double-checked in airport security just because they're Muslims/arabs.

Most liberals strongly oppose either of these options.


Because liberals don't profile? Or is it not profiling when it concerns white or European people. Either way, profiling is something everyone does because it works. If you want it to end, get those people to stop disproportionately committing crimes. The fact that liberals want to stop profiling Arabs/Muslims, which isn't even true mind you, has no impact on profiling overall.


But do you personally believe homosexual people should have the right to marry?

Stop dancing around the issue. Marriage isn't a right. It's a system designed for the propagating and inheritance of children. If a gay person can find someone willing to give them a marriage license, then I don't care. But what you're really asking me is if I think gay marriage is okay. You're dodging the question. I think gay marriage is stupid if they don't plan on raising children. Most gay people think the same which is why the vast majority of them don't get married. My personal opinion on gay marriage, however, has no impact on my decisions. I don't have to like the idea of something to determine if it is right or wrong. Such moral relativism is abhorrent
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True, but it just seems that conservatives are way more open to bombing the shit out of other countries these days.

Were you in a coma for the last eight years? Hell, 24 years?


Nah. A liberal at least definitely supports same-sex marriage and opposes strict airport security profiling.

Yeah, those aren't the qualifiers for being a liberal or a conservative. In the most modern of terms, liberal means big government and conservative means conserving the smaller government practices of yore and the Constitution, at least concerning here in the States. Conservative is a term that changes by the location. Liberals also don't oppose profiling again. They just oppose the profiling of others based on their skin color. More specifically, brown people. It's okay to profile whites.

Really? I always thought you were conservative.

Like many things said in the above, you thought wrong.

You know, Freshest, you're nauseatingly condescending. And kind of a jerk. It's no wonder most people here don't like you. 🙂

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I don't think the government should be allowed to tell you what to buy, and I don't think the government should have a monopoly on force.

So that means you're also in opposed to drug restriction and think people should be able to buy cocaine, meth and heroine freely?

I see that your view on this matter is quite impersonal. You don't think people who barely know how to use a gun -- and knowing that said gun could easily be used to murder someone -- shouldn't be allowed to buy it? Or that maybe at least there should be some type of filter applied to people wanting to buy guns?

You didn't even ask this question. You asked if they believe in global warming, and whether one is conservative or liberal, you should care more about evidence than anything.

I thought it was implied, honestly. I asked if you believed in it, because I thought you were a conservative, and conservatives are known for believing global warming isn't the humans' fault. Whether it is an actual conservative position is irrelevant to me. When most people that call themselves conservative have almost the exact same point of view on certain matters, it could be considered a trait, whether it started out like that or not.

Either way, most conservatives are catholic, and the catholic church does not believe in global warming. Thus, a lot of Republicans do not believe in global warming [and they're obviously all conservative].

Oh and I agree. Sadly, a lot of stubborn people don't care about the evidence.

Because healthcare is a service, not a right. A right is something that should be defended at all costs. At gunpoint. If you aren't willing to kill for it, it's not a right. It's a privilege. Access to healthcare is a right. Having someone treat you is not. It's their decision if they'll treat you or not. It's also incredibly unsuccessful pretty much everywhere government run healthcare actually is. I don't want the government being able to decide if I live or die. The general hospital in America is the super hospital of Canada. Only worse because only the rich have access to that. If that is the world you want to live in, all the power to you.

Having access to healthcare being a right but having someone treat you being a choice is contradictory, don't you think?

Why do you have this belief that free healthcare is unsuccessful?

Because liberals don't profile? Or is it not profiling when it concerns white or European people. Either way, profiling is something everyone does because it works. If you want it to end, get those people to stop disproportionately committing crimes. The fact that liberals want to stop profiling Arabs/Muslims, which isn't even true mind you, has no impact on profiling overall.

Liberals aren't supposed to profile, it's theoretically not a part of their ideology to judge people based on their race or looks.

How does it work, exactly? A group of people from a specific race commit crimes, and for their actions millions of people of the same race are judged negatively? Doesn't seem fair, tbh.

Stop dancing around the issue. Marriage isn't a right. It's a system designed for the propagating and inheritance of children. If a gay person can find someone willing to give them a marriage license, then I don't care. But what you're really asking me is if I think gay marriage is okay. You're dodging the question. I think gay marriage is stupid if they don't plan on raising children. Most gay people think the same which is why the vast majority of them don't get married. My personal opinion on gay marriage, however, has no impact on my decisions. I don't have to like the idea of something to determine if it is right or wrong. Such moral relativism is abhorrent

Lel, how is straight up asking if you personally believe in gay marriage dancing around the issue or dodging anything?

And what do you mean marriage isn't a right? Anyone who's 18+ has the right to marry.

You kinda do have to like this idea in particular, considering that if you don't, you'd be considered a homophobe, unless you explain your reasoning and prove it has nothing to do with being a homophobe. I simply wanted to know if you liked the idea of gay people getting married or if it bugged you for whatever reason. Then again, I asked you these questions believing you were a conservative, so whatever.

Were you in a coma for the last eight years? Hell, 24 years?

These days, conservatives are open to bombing the shit out of countries like, say, Syria. I'm not saying liberals weren't open for this in the past, but in case you didn't notice, USA's acting President is a Republican conservative. I don't care what liberals think or do regarding this, or if they're also advocates of war, I was asking this to you because I thought you were conservative and I wanted to know a conservative's point of view.

Yeah, those aren't the qualifiers for being a liberal or a conservative.

When did I ever say they were? The fact that most liberals support same-sex marriage doesn't mean it's a qualifier for being a liberal, it just means most do, which makes it a common trait most liberals share.

Like many things said in the above, you thought wrong. [/B]

I guess because you say so, I am wrong. 🙂

You certainly do not strike me as a liberal.

He strikes me as more a libertarian than anything else, with maybe more of a militaristic drive, and I'd like to point out to you that Freshest never said he thought global warming was a man-made problem, just that it was a thing that existed. Not saying he thinks it isn't caused by human activity, but saying he didn't quite say what you're acting like he said.

Originally posted by Petrus
You know, Freshest, you're nauseatingly condescending. And kind of a jerk. It's no wonder most people here don't like you. 🙂

People who gain validation from others they don't even know are called whores. I have never aspired to be a whore.


So that means you're also in opposed to drug restriction and think people should be able to buy cocaine, meth and heroine freely?

Sure. Why not? It's not my business to tell you what you can and cannot buy. If you want to be stupid, that is your right.

I see that your view on this matter is quite impersonal. You don't think people who barely know how to use a gun -- and knowing that said gun could easily be used to murder someone -- shouldn't be allowed to buy it? Or that maybe at least there should be some type of filter applied to people wanting to buy guns?

You mean those things that are already in place? There is nowhere that you can just go pick up a gun. And you can easily murder people with a lot of things. If you are willing to kill someone, I doubt a need to have a permit is going to stop you.


I thought it was implied, honestly. I asked if you believed in it, because I thought you were a conservative, and conservatives are known for believing global warming isn't the humans' fault. Whether it is an actual conservative position is irrelevant to me. When most people that call themselves conservative have almost the exact same point of view on certain matters, it could be considered a trait, whether it started out like that or not.

I believe we should examine the actual science out there, and the people who think it is clear cut one way or the other don't actually pay attention to the science. When I see enough evidence to draw a conclusion, I will make one. Now, unless you have a non authoritarian way of fixing this problem, I really don't see the point of asking me my opinion on it.

Either way, most conservatives are catholic, and the catholic church does not believe in global warming. Thus, a lot of Republicans do not believe in global warming [and they're obviously all conservative].

This is the single most retarded sentence in this discussion. And that's really saying something. Most conservatives aren't Catholic in the United States. All Republicans aren't conservatives. I don't know about the Catholic Church's official opinion on the matter, but that's really irrelevant to the topic at hand so I don't even know what you bothered bringing it up.


Oh and I agree. Sadly, a lot of stubborn people don't care about the evidence.

So...liberals? Because they do that too. All the time.


Having access to healthcare being a right but having someone treat you being a choice is contradictory, don't you think?

No. What amount of mental hoops would make you draw that conclusion? I have a right to purchase the internet service I'm using right now. That does not mean that I have a right to the internet.

Why do you have this belief that free healthcare is unsuccessful?

Could it be because it doesn't work, drives up national debt, and gives shitty second rate service?


Liberals aren't supposed to profile, it's theoretically not a part of their ideology to judge people based on their race or looks.

Then you haven't been paying attention since the 1800s.

How does it work, exactly? A group of people from a specific race commit crimes, and for their actions millions of people of the same race are judged negatively? Doesn't seem fair, tbh.

Because when millions of people disproportionately commit crimes, it is only intelligent to give them more scrutiny than those that don't. Otherwise, it's a waste of resources especially when you know where the problem lies. As long as your rights aren't being violated, and they aren't, I don't care. Safety before privacy at that point.


Lel, how is straight up asking if you personally believe in gay marriage dancing around the issue or dodging anything?

Because it's not the question you asked.

And what do you mean marriage isn't a right? Anyone who's 18+ has the right to marry.

No, they have the privilege to be married. Marriage isn't a right. A right is something you are born with, endowed to you by whatever higher power or natural order you believe in. It is something that cannot be given or taken away. Privileges are something that is given to you simply for being. Being 18, and thus allowed to marry, is a privilege. Something being legal does not make it "right."

You kinda do have to like this idea in particular, considering that if you don't, you'd be considered a homophobe, unless you explain your reasoning and prove it has nothing to do with being a homophobe.

Okay? I don't care if I'm called a homophobe, I care ultimately about being correct, not being accepted. Again, I am not a whore. My existence is not to please others. I want what is factually correct when dealing with other people.

I simply wanted to know if you liked the idea of gay people getting married or if it bugged you for whatever reason. Then again, I asked you these questions believing you were a conservative, so whatever.

It does not bug me. I don't care about what other people do personally. I think the evidence shows for itself what these kinds of things often lead to. If you are okay with those consequences, all the power to you.


These days, conservatives are open to bombing the shit out of countries like, say, Syria.

No, they aren't. Neo-Cons are opening to bombing Syria. So was Obama, who last I checked wasn't a conservative. Bombing is something that does not exist on the political spectrum.

I'm not saying liberals weren't open for this in the past, but in case you didn't notice, USA's acting President is a Republican conservative.

No, he is not. By literally any measure of the word. Trump is a populous.

I don't care what liberals think or do regarding this, or if they're also advocates of war, I was asking this to you because I thought you were conservative and I wanted to know a conservative's point of view.

This statement within itself shows how bullshit this entire conversation really is. You obviously do care, otherwise you wouldn't assume I believe certain things that you assume conservatives believe that liberals don't. Unless you plan on asking me if I breath air next, because you heard some conservatives do that, you're full of it.


When did I ever say they were? The fact that most liberals support same-sex marriage doesn't mean it's a qualifier for being a liberal, it just means most do, which makes it a common trait most liberals share.

Again, you are asking questions pertaining to an ideology because you believe most, if not all, members of that group believe a certain way. Don't try to weasel yourself out of such obvious thinking. It only detracts from you. Stick to your beliefs and show how they are right.


I guess because you say so, I am wrong. 🙂

No, you're just wrong because you're wrong.


You certainly do not strike me as a liberal.

That does not make me a conservative. If everyone was a liberal, liberal would be the conservative position. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

Yeah, you're definitely a whore