Originally posted by Beniboybling
Studies show that homosexuals are more likely to have higher IQs than average yes. 👆
And for the record, Myth, the world isn't facing a overpopulation problem, especially not in the West. Our populations are going through a net deficit. Also, how in the **** does adoption deal with homosexual reproduction?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And for the record, Myth, the world isn't facing a overpopulation problem, especially not in the West. Our populations are going through a net deficit.
Next you'll be telling me global warming's a myth. smh
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Also, how in the **** does adoption deal with homosexual reproduction?
Never said it did, I just noted it's definitely a good thing to have more legalized marriage couples who can adopt otherwise abandoned kids.
Originally posted by MythLord
Next you'll be telling me global warming's a myth. smh
Never said it did, I just noted it's definitely a good thing to have more legalized marriage couples who can adopt otherwise abandoned kids.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I also can't help but find it amusing when the heterosexuals raise "but we can repraduce!11!!!" as the (sole) defence of the advantage of their existence, when on a planet facing unprecedented overpopulation and consequent poverty and starvation, it would actually be advantageous as a species for us to limit reproduction, not encourage it. 🙁
Like I said, you're confusing the social implications with the scientific ones. It's no business of mine whether or not you reproduce, but as a human your reproductive urges are directed towards something you can't reproduce with. A disorder is defined as a disruption of normal physical or mental functions; I think that qualifies, but again, it doesn't matter because it should have nothing to do with your rights or social standing either way. It's not a relevant discussion point, IMO.
Reproductive urges? We have sexual impulses yes, that are conductive to the act of reproduction. But in and of themselves our sexual impulses do not consist of an urge to reproduce, which should be obvious considering we freely engaging in masturbation, anal, oral etc. non of which result in the popping out of a baby. I can only assume that by your logic, these are evidence of mental disorders too.
Regardless, that point was unrelated to my argument regarding mental disorders, and somewhat tongue in cheek. 🙂
Biologically speaking, sexual impulses are reproductive urges. Masturbation, as well as anal or oral sex, is something we do to satisfy those urges in lieu of actually doing the deed for social reasons; none of them are necessarily natural for us to do.
The difference in the case of homosexuality is that using your reproductive organs to do something other than reproduce is your natural inclination, rather than a social compromise. There's nothing socially wrong with it, as far as I'm concerned, but it's certainly not how the human body is supposed to work biologically.
Originally posted by NewGuy01To satisfy our sexual urges yes, understand that you're inserting the urge to reproduce into this equation with no basis. We have an urge to get off, there is no evidence of anything more. Whereas the very fact we broadly engage in activity not conductive to reproduction, only weakens the case for the so called "reproductive urge". The fact that people are able to go about their lives without birthing a child and be perfectly satisfied mentally and physically only stacking the case against it further.
Biologically speaking, sexual impulses are reproductive urges. Masturbation, as well as anal or oral sex, is something we do to satisfy those urges in lieu of actually doing the deed for social reasons; none of them are necessarily natural for us to do.
The difference in the case of homosexuality is that using your reproductive organs to do something other than reproduce is your natural inclination, rather than a social compromise. There's nothing socially wrong with it, as far as I'm concerned, but it's certainly not how the human body is supposed to work biologically.What compromise? Of the making of a baby? Jacking off, doing anal, doing oral, do nothing to satisfy that urge, and by this same logic, protected sex would be inherently unsatisfying. These things, plus homosexuality, are just other expressions of our desire to f*ck. 🙁
You're just using your brain to perform a function that is completely designed to encourage reproduction, hence the fact that the products of these activities can aid in reproduction. Not that hard to understand. The fact that you aren't a lower animal doesn't disprove that ultimately it's about reproduction.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No, next I'm going to tell you that you're an idiot.
Ah, quite the thought-provoking response.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm sure the 2.7% of the population, who around that much of them actually even want to get married, will make a huge impact on orphaned and state taken children.
They actually do an extremely good job of helping, to the point that homelessness has apparently gone down by more than 20-30% and there's less and less children in orphanages and institution now in most of the civilized world(an especial decrease is seen in Asia). And this is not accounting for the fact that many countries have gay marriage as illegal and have any member of the LGBT community adopting a child as illegal, my country included. So frankly, given the drastic circumstances hindering them in such an endeavour: yeah they're doing fantastic.
This is not to mention that just in the US alone, LGBT couples are four-to-six times more likely to have an adoptive or foster child than any heterosexual couple, hence they're the ones doing most of the adopting:
"Same-sex couples raising children are four times more likely than their different-sex counterparts to be raising an adopted child.Among couples with children under age 18 in the home, 13% of same-sex couples have an adopted child compared to just 3% of different-sex couples. More than 16,000 same-sex couples are raising an estimated 22,000 adopted children in the US.
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Same-sex couples are six times more likely than their different-sex counterparts to be raising foster children."
-- LGBT Parenting In The United States
Originally posted by MythLord
Ah, quite the thought-provoking response.
They actually do an extremely good job of helping, to the point that homelessness has apparently gone down by more than 20-30% and there's less and less children in orphanages and institution now in most of the civilized world(an especial decrease is seen in Asia). And this is not accounting for the fact that many countries have gay marriage as illegal and have any member of the LGBT community adopting a child as illegal, my country included. So frankly, given the drastic circumstances hindering them in such an endeavour: yeah they're doing fantastic.
This is not to mention that just in the US alone, LGBT couples are four-to-six times more likely to have an adoptive or foster child than any heterosexual couple, hence they're the ones doing most of the adopting:"Same-sex couples raising children are four times more likely than their different-sex counterparts to be raising an adopted child.Among couples with children under age 18 in the home, 13% of same-sex couples have an adopted child compared to just 3% of different-sex couples. More than 16,000 same-sex couples are raising an estimated 22,000 adopted children in the US.
[...]
Same-sex couples are six times more likely than their different-sex counterparts to be raising foster children."
-- LGBT Parenting In The United States
Sel's right. Providing scientific facts, however true or objective, isn't going to be a magic solution to societal (and religious) views on the matter which aren't based on science to begin with. Short of literally forcing your views on them, there's no way you can deal with that except waiting for those people to die out and hopefully take their views with them.
I have faith that with the passing of time, these views will mostly disintegrate. No social movement can expect success overnight. Even exploiting the circumstances of its time, women's suffrage took decades. Black civil rights took even longer. Seems like a lot of modern social movements are highly impatient.
All I'm saying is that a generational shift and the declining influence of religion is going to be an important, if not essential asset to the gay movement. Societal views can't be changed overnight, no matter how ****ed you think they are. It takes time, and I'd say we've come a fair way in relation to gay rights anyway.
Naturally, there's still room for improvement, especially here in Australia where gay marriage has still not been legalized.
As for school, yeah, we don't need partisan causes being involved there. As long as we teach our children to be accepting of people and their differences in general, we're fine, IMHO. Anything more than that would be unfair because we'd then have to apply it equally to other minorities, and that would just clog the school system up.