Originally posted by The Lost
Right, so tell me how race is clearly not a social construct.
First, please define what you think "social construct" means. I imagine it to be an arbitrary distinction with no predictive or explanatory power beyond what is circularly attributed to it via the construction of it.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
First, please define what you think "social construct" means. I imagine it to be an arbitrary distinction with no predictive or explanatory power beyond what is circularly attributed to it via the construction of it.
We'll start simple.
So a "social construct" is a perception/conception of something that is based on any set of collective attitudes cultivated/developed inside of any society or social grouping, as opposed to existing inherently/objectively.
Originally posted by The Lost
We'll start simple.So a "social construct" is a perception/conception of something that is based on any set of collective attitudes cultivated/developed inside of any society or social grouping, as opposed to existing inherently/objectively.
Well, here is where the semantics get important, because there are two contentions:
1. Race exists on a continuum, and there is more variation within racial groups than between them. You could split "African" into "Northern African" and "Southern African", or create any number of different bucket sorts that are just as meaningful as our current delineation.
2. There are differences in the distributions of innate characteristics between racial groups that are not entirely the result of recent societal forces. (Beyond the trivial that you'd agree with like skin color)
Both of these contentions are true. Analogy: "tall" and "short" are rather vague terms because there's no arbitrary line that you can draw to distinguish tall people from short people, but that doesn't mean that the concepts of tallness and shortness are societal constructs.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I remember Ziggy/Twotter's annihilation at the hands of Lost quite vividly.
To bad you don't have evidence of it. Otherwise you would see The Lost getting very angry at a set of data sheets he didn't like. On the subject of social constructs, given that you have a clear bias on this topic Beni, how do you justify this statement :
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Let's take the example of a heterosexual male, such a person has their sexual instinct predisposed towards the opposite sex at a very early stage. And there is no evidence I'm aware of, scientific or otherwise, that suggests this biological impulse is made biased towards any one ethnicity.Yes, as a result of one's upbringing, it stands to reason that you'd develop preferences towards certain races and colour, for example if you grow up in a largerly white environment you'd be more attracted to white people, and vice versa.
When there is compiled data to contradict.
Originally posted by badabingisacuck
Originally posted by Beniboybling
😂I find it amusing that An_sock/Ziggy/Twittard thinks I'd actually waste time conversing with him. Go back to 4chan. 😱
Funnily enough, I remember that conversation being about how most members here didn't find Black women attractive. You're response was to tell them that they were either lying racists, or it's because they were social conditioned to take preference for "people they grew up with".
Tell me Beni, how does this explain the data form several dating sites showing that people form all ethnicities, including black people, generally respond less to black women?
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well, here is where the semantics get important, because there are two contentions:1. Race exists on a continuum, and there is more variation within racial groups than between them. You could split "African" into "Northern African" and "Southern African", or create any number of different bucket sorts that are just as meaningful as our current delineation.
2. There are differences in the distributions of innate characteristics between racial groups that are not entirely the result of recent societal forces. (Beyond the trivial that you'd agree with like skin color)
Both of these contentions are true. Analogy: "tall" and "short" are rather vague terms because there's no arbitrary line that you can draw to distinguish tall people from short people, but that doesn't mean that the concepts of tallness and shortness are societal constructs.
For the sake of clarity, I'm assuming that by you stating "race is clearly not a racial construct", you are asserting it's biological? If this assumption is wrong, let me know. Also, if race is not socially constructed and my assumption was off, how do you define what "race" is?
Yeah tbh, I'm not all that sexually attracted to black women, I'm not racist, I wasn't socially conditioned, darker skin just generally isn't within my sexual attraction. There are exceptions of course, but generally speaking my sexual interests just don't lie in that direction.
I always find it weird when people call you an immoral person on the basis of your sexual attractions, such as calling people who aren't that attracted to black women racist, or saying guys who aren't sexually attracted to fat women are just privileged and hateful or whatever.