Dr McBeefington
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Originally posted by Master Crimzon
There is no 'indication' we can't get rid of it if we truly ascend beyond conceptions of how mankind always was and move on to thinking how mankind can be. Stop living the past.
Stop living in fairy tale land. Your perceptions aren't based on anything realistic.
Actually I did. Societal glorification of money, wealth and 'power'; if people are raised and are largely exposed to that value, then greed is a possible ramification.
Or the fact that it's easy, almost anyone can do it, and can get away with it. See what I did there? I cut out the middleman(external factors), and placed the responsibility on the person!
The individual who committed the crime is NOT fine. However, by stooping to his standards and thriving on aggression and inhumanity, the system that punishes him is NOT fine, either.
Except we aren't stooping to his standards. He committed premeditated murder. We gave him a trial. He lost under the legal rules of capital murder. So it's a legal kill. And how dare someone who commits a capital murder NOT forfeit his life?
Compassion and justice are not mutually exclusive. An 'eye for an eye' is not justice; it's moral degeneration. Maintaining our values and ethical standards as a society is a far better method of justice.
And our ethical standards and values state that a murderer shouldn't be able to keep his life.
What? Do you think the working class commits more crimes just because they're naturally assholes? Crime paves the way for people to do desperate things in order to attain money or some other method of reward or escapism; in other words, the biological survival instinct. This is simple logic.
No it's not. Because white collar crimes goes against this "simple logic". The "logic" is people do whatever is easy and they know they can get away with.
That's the equivalent of legalizing beer and illegalizing 'hardcore' alcoholic beverages. It's moronic. The fact that the vast majority of smokes and drinkers aren't life-threatening addicts, despite indulging in dangerous and addicting activities, proves that the majority of people are capable of responsibly utilizing potentially harmful substances. There is no indication that casual, restrained usage of hard drugs like heroin causes death. Addiction is an anomaly, and even that anomaly should not be punished; rather, if an individual wants to make up for his past mistakes and faults, then we should create more effective drug rehabilitation center to control dangerous drug addictions.
No, it's NOT the same thing. You don't overdose on beer. You die from hard drugs, so it's NOT the same thing. And where is this "majority" coming from? It's funny, so people are now responsible in utilizing drugs and alcohol, but when they do something evil, it's because of outside influences. And btw, heroin leads to MORE heroin, which leads to an addiction, which leads to death. Welcome to the reality of hard drugs. Here's that word again, rehabilitation. Lets not punish the person for using drugs which are illegal, lets just rehabilitate them! People that abuse drugs end up committing other, more severe crimes.
And even if people don't choose to be rehabilitated, then let them die. It's their life. They own themselves. It's their choice; we have no right to tell another person how to lead their life.
Rofl. Right, this is the last liberal rhetoric I haven't heard which I was waiting for. It's their life? Their choice? So it's their choice to lead their own lives, but when they take someone else's life, it's society's fault. You're racking up the double standards here. We have a right to tell people how to live their lives. It's called laws. It's called the constitution. And those people forfeit their lives when they take someone else's.
The individual's values and traditions are highly influences by societal values and traditions. Excessive, rampant capitalism and materialism leads to greed and corruption.
Oh right. Lets switch to socialism/capitalism. That worked wonders for the Soviet Union.
... what the ****? I've explained the psychology of white collar crime. Most of the wealthy do not do so because they interpret traditional values in a different manner and are capable of employing restraint, both because of their personal choices and their psychology.
Ah right. When it's not a societal factor, it's a misinterpretation. Lets just keep the blame game going. There's NO way you don't believe people are inherently good because this is what you're basically saying. Personal choice comes first. Psychology and societal factors come after.
Except for the fact that states with the death penalty often have a higher crime rate than states that don't. If you perceive the institution as being authoritarian and violent, then this paves the way for urges of rebellion and 'counter-violence'.Violence does not end violence.
Justice is necessary. Capital Punishment is justice for the victim. You can claim that "it won't bring anyone back", but you'll be hard pressed to find a victim's family that doesn't want the killer dead.
I agree that people choose what they do, but what they choose is based upon socioeconomic factors. One is the alter-able factor and the other is not. What should we focus upon?
No, it's based on personal choices with societal factors maybe playing a small role. Societal factors are NOT substituted for personal choice.