The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Determinism/luck? You sure you want to go there? [/B]

Sure. I think determinism/luck/coincidence are as much bullshit as you think religion is.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Blind faith, according to you. How is asserting that everything that cannot be explained is either "luck" or "consequence", any more rational?

Originally posted by Eminence
If you believe in probablility, you shouldn't be arguing this. That's all luck is.

I don't.

So lets say I'm going on vacation and I brought my dad's camera bag, only I took the wrong bag, the one with the gun in it. Lets say I put it in my bag (not carry on) and went to Miami. Lets say on the way back from Miami while at the airport, the ticket guy says that anyone that has a camera should take it out and use it as carry on because the X-ray machines tend to damage film. Lets say I put it on the roller (my mind is blank I can't think of any words) at security. Lets say that everything stops, they see the bag, ask me if it's mine, I said sure, they open it up, and there's a gun. Tell me, what's the probability of that happening?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I don't.

So lets say I'm going on vacation and I brought my dad's camera bag, only I took the wrong bag, the one with the gun in it. Lets say I put it in my bag (not carry on) and went to Miami. Lets say on the way back from Miami while at the airport, the ticket guy says that anyone that has a camera should take it out and use it as carry on because the X-ray machines tend to damage film. Lets say I put it on the roller (my mind is blank I can't think of any words) at security. Lets say that everything stops, they see the bag, ask me if it's mine, I said sure, they open it up, and there's a gun. Tell me, what's the probability of that happening?

Can I have another story?

It doesn't mean it MUST be the will of G-d, but that's how I took it. Which story do you want? I have a Secret Service one. Probability only goes so far.

Sure, give me that.

You aren't going to change my mind - I have no idea how someone couldn't believe in some things being more likely than others - but I need entertainment. I watched the last fight scene in Dragonball: Evolution today.

It hurts.

Originally posted by Eminence
Sure, give me that.

You aren't going to change my mind - I have no idea how someone couldn't believe in some things being more likely than others - but I need entertainment. I watched the last fight scene in Dragonball: Evolution today.

It hurts.

I don't need to convince you, I just gave you an example of how probability/luck/coincidence hardly explain everything.

And dragon ballz is for prepubescent homos.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I don't need to convince you, I just gave you an example of how probability/luck/coincidence hardly explain everything.

And dragon ballz is for prepubescent homos.

I was actually freaked out by it when I saw a clip as a little kid; Frieza freaking blew up Krillin and Goku got pissed and beat the living shit out of him, with blood and everything. Traumatizing.

Originally posted by Eminence
But you didn't. Something with a low probability of happening happened. That's "bad" luck. It's unlikely, but it's obviously possible.

You know nothing of life.

I was actually freaked out by it when I saw a clip as a little kid; Frieza freaking blew up Krillin and Goku got pissed and beat the living shit out of him, with blood and everything. Traumatizing.

Wow. I hope you intend on losing your virginity to a girl/guy (beggars can't be choosers), like within the next couple of years. You'll find a correlation between increased contact with the opposite (or same)sex, and a decreased amount of watching homosexual shows/movies. I think.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Sure, you can call it a ridiculously low probability, and I'll call it the will of G-d.

Wow. I hope you intend on losing your virginity to a girl/guy (beggars can't be choosers), like within the next couple of years. You'll find a correlation between increased contact with the opposite (or same)sex, and a decreased amount of watching homosexual shows/movies. I think.

Talkin bout Krillin exploding? That was pretty gory for children, I remember finding it disturbing. I maintain the entire fight with Frieza was one of the best of all three series, right behind Goku and Vegeta.

As a kid I watched Dragonball Z and then promptly decided it was the dumbest thing ever.

Warned you all. This thread is now closed for a week, and Dr McBeefington gets a ban for such ridiculous stated defiance. Never, ever say that you will ignore what a mod says.

The place for serious political/philosophical debate is in the GDF. This place has been turned into a ridiculous and pointless talking shop which is actively hostile to this place's design as an off-topic area for SW vs. It is fine for those of you with giant egos already here, but useless for new people trying to come in and just mess around randomly. You have made this place exclusive, cliqquey and unwelcoming. This debating is NOT the purpose of an off-topic area- and meanwhile, your claims that your debate was some sort of high-quality one that was more intellectual than ones elsewhere are hilarious. Dream on guys; most of what has been said here, by all of you, is babble.

After I re-open, those who decide to keep on defying me will start getting bans too.

Some of you will remember that I closed the last Battle Bar permanently because of ridiculous amounts of bashing. I'm hoping that this thread does not have to take the same route. When it reopens, please obey the rules of KMC and use the thread as a social thread, not as a debate section.

Ok, a reminder to all that if you want to discuss a serious subject for any length of time then a social thread is not the place for it; such things make social threads difficult to use for other users and strike against the very point of having a social thread in the first place. I also don't want to see extended arguments between members taking over the entire thread either.

Meanwhile, flagrant disregard of mod warnings- not to mention stated defiance- is the kind of thing that can get a thread like this closed forever. So bear that in mind.

On the Coincidence of Wants and the Flaws Inherent to a Barter System

Pineapple.

Seems random and pointless enough for the Battle Bar, eh? And you need to reply to the morality stuff we had.

That's too long!. Anyway, the first paragraph doesn't disagree or even relate (much) to my post. I'm still working on how to go about this. (I think I might just step back and outline my own position as well as belittle your idea that action solves anything.)

Also: KITTENS!

Hmm-hmm. Well, I personally advocate...

Wait, we'll get banned. Let's continue it there.

I like turtles.