Originally posted by truejedi
[B]You have hardly said anything to add or detract from anything i've said. So if you want, wade in. but if all you are going to say is i don't know what i'm talking about without saying why: SCRAM.
"you say i havent, i say i have. why should i listen to you? D= "
I said it does connect. You said it doesn't. Why should i listen to you? And yes, that was a question. THis is a discussion. its how it works.
well for one thing, because im actually right and youre not... so. yeah.
if you want me to extrapolate, people can "consider" anything to be "anything". i can "consider" a blue car to be yellow, but, whatever. thats why there arent laws built specifically around people being offended- because people can be made uncomfortable or offended by anything.
basing weither or not something is acceptable upon how invididual people react to it is a weak argument.
and for the record the last two times i directly replied to something you asked, you didnt even bother with a reply.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
"you say i havent, i said i have. why should i listen to you? D= "well for one thing, because im actually right and youre not... so. yeah.
if you want me to extrapolate, people can "consider" anything to be "anything". i can "consider" a blue car to be yellow, but, whatever. thats why there arent laws built specifically around people being offended- because people can be made uncomfortable or offended by [i]anything/i].
point being, just because someone can be offended by something does not mean it is in any way shape or form "wrong".
Maybe you missed the discussion we were having. Tell me, what bathroom should a transgender person use? Simple question. And then we were discussing it. What do you think?
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i already replied to the question you asked, about that.and in that reply i stated that it doesnt really matter. but if a man gets an operation done and considers himself to be a woman than into the womans bathroom he goes, fine. same with vice versa.
same with locker rooms? whatever we consider ourselves to be should be justification enough for where we go?
sure. why not? do you care that your mother uses the same bathroom as you? or if some random people are invited to your house for a party or something that theyre all using the same bathroom?
in society today its all well and good for everyone to use the same bathroom if there's only one or two in a house or something- even strangers. but if theres designated bathrooms for each gender then suddently there's a problem. which is stupid imo.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
sure. why not? do you care that your mother uses the same bathroom as you? or if some random people are invited to your house for a party or something that theyre all using the same bathroom?in society today its all well and good for everyone to use the same bathroom if there's only one or two in a house or something- even strangers. but if theres designated bathrooms for each gender then suddently there's a problem. which is stupid imo.
I'm not ok with my mom taking a shower with me in a locker room. Would you be?
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
And DS, you are the one that has yet to respond to me. I posted the argument that went up on PrE, to which you PM'd me at least three times (I still have them in my inbox) that you would "get to it." Then you pussyd out. Then I poasted them HERE for you to respond. That is where our exchange ended. That you cannot remember anything from the original discussion is your problem; I can't be held accountable for your (many) mental deficiencies. [/B]
If you remember correctly, just a few days you posted the transcript and then posted your entire response. There's nothing to "remember", it's not something I'm going to decipher. I also found it especially amusing when you took me not spending the time to respond to you, as proof that the Bible and science contradict.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
me personally? no. i wouldnt be comfortable with taking a shower with a girl though, either.
Because a man has the pyschological mindset of a woman doesn't give him the right to walk into a woman's lockerroom and shower with women does it? They would be well within their rights to complain, wouldn't they be?
Originally posted by truejedi
Sooo... what locker-room should a transgender use then? (we get to the point)
this is where you keep making your mistake. why does your personal feelings, or mine, matter in terms of what people should be doing? if what people should be doing is based off of my sentiments then there would be no locker rooms because im a very private person and i dont like anyone looking at me. im sure there are some people who feel the complete opposite- so why do my sentiments matter any more then theres do?
personally i feel that in this particular situation it doesnt really matter which locker room they use. if i find myself feeling uncomfortable than i just wont change there - or - ill change in a stall. thats what i did throughout the entire 6 years of of PE that i had anyway so why does it matter weither im hiding from boys or girls?
edit- btw i do see where you were actually coming from with this.
Because a man has the pyschological mindset of a woman doesn't give him the right to walk into a woman's lockerroom and shower with women does it? They would be well within their rights to complain, wouldn't they be? [/B]
we're all within our rights to complain about anything.
exactly, so we agree then.
A man in the above situation could and would be arrested, as we discussed above with sexual harrassment and public indecency.
The reason is simple: You are talking about emptying a woman's locker room (because the women WOULD be uncomfortable) in order to accomadate one man who wants to shower there? You don't see anything wrong with this? It is about 1 person's rights superimposing everyone elses, am I wrong?
Originally posted by truejedi
[B]exactly, so we agree then.
A man in the above situation could and would be arrested, as we discussed above with sexual harrassment and public indecency.
they could. maybe. if theyre transgender they could potentially get away with it. regardless though, laws dont dictate what is right and what is wrong, only what is acceptable in society.
The reason is simple: You are talking about emptying a woman's locker room (because the women WOULD be uncomfortable) in order to accomadate one man who wants to shower there? You don't see anything wrong with this? It is about 1 person's rights superimposing everyone elses, am I wrong?
no. why would there be? its their own faults for being offended. the man is not hurting them he is not threatening them. if i walk into a cafeteria and eat my lunch which is french fries with mayonnaise and everyone in the cafeteria is so disgusted by my eating habit that they cant finish their own food am i in the wrong and/or should i suffer legal prosecution? should i get up and leave because everyone else is disgusted? no. **** those people.
exactly, so we agree then.
A man in the above situation could and would be arrested, as we discussed above with sexual harrassment and public indecency.The reason is simple: You are talking about emptying a woman's locker room (because the women WOULD be uncomfortable) in order to accomadate one man who wants to shower there? You don't see anything wrong with this? It is about 1 person's rights superimposing everyone elses, am I wrong?
I don't quite get what you're going for here. Are you attacking locker rooms or Transvestites?
Originally posted by Ms.Marvelno. why would there be? its their own faults for being offended. the man is not hurting them he is not threatening them.
You are simply wrong with this statement.