Dr McBeefington
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Originally posted by Autokrat
In politics, people will use just about anything as a justification to push forth their own agendas. This is true for any ideology, be it secular or religious. Just as a Christian would tell you that the Crusades were a perversion of Christian ideas, I would tell you that what Hitler and Stalin did are a perversion of secular ethics. This is the danger of dogmatism, acting without the use of rigorous reason. As a secular humanist, I would argue that logic and reason should be used as tools for achieving the goal of maximizing happiness and minimizing pain. When this method is abandoned in the name of a dogmatic political or religious goal then so have the very foundations with which secularism is founded on.
While it's true about religion as well as secularism, I would put them on different platforms, I still believe that following the laws of a higher being gives society a better chance to grow and better themselves as opposed to following secular ethics. This is where we have to agree to disagree, but realize that I'm not against what you've described. In fact, I've never heard it described that way. Everyone I've ever talked to has equated secularism with moral relativism.
I object when sexual minorities (homosexuals, intersex individuals) suffer because America is a Judo-Christian nation. I believe that something marriage should, on a legal level, be nothing more than a civil union for the purposes of things like taxes and medical records. If a person wishes to add religious significance to the event based on what they believe, then they could do so.
Another thing we are going to disagree on. I'm fine with civil partnerships but I, and the majority of people on this planet, have a specific definition of "marriage", and I don't want that changed. Moreover, I can't in good conscience and thinking logically, place same sex relationships on the same pedestal as straight relationships. They're just not the same.
Aside from the fact that close to half of the American population believes that Creationism should be taught in schools, my worry is more based on the mindset of a person that believes in a literal creation. That requires one or both of two things: a literal/fundamentalist mindset and/or gross scientific ignorance in areas of geology, physics, biology, chemistry, and just about every other hard science. The latter doesn't bother me so much as the first one does. People with a literal mindset are dogmatic and therefore not possessed of the disposition to act rationally. These people influence social mores in such a way that minorities or people that deviate are discriminated against. To me, this is wrong.
I agree.
I've never even heard of the seven Laws of Noah, so yes I suspect we were reading different texts.
According to orthodox Judaism, we don't regard the OT, as it is publically written, credible. We read the Torah, Talmud, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_NoahI don't oppose people working hard and being able to become rich, but you have to look at things from a bigger picture. I'm not some communist that believes we should all have equal levels of wealth, but I do believe that shrinking the wealth gap will improve socioeconomic factors for the poor, leading to: a decrease in violent crime, less overcrowded prisons, better public health, and better education levels.
How do you propose we do this?
In response to your second question, I believe that America is something of a unique case. We have a large number of immigrants that come from extremely poor nations. They started out extremely poor and such I believe that this is why you now have the ghettos of the bigger cities. These conditions created a crime subculture in which you have entirely too many young people falling into crime. This creates an ugly cycle where each generation is stuck in poverty because the youth fail to break free of their socioeconomic conditions and instead fall into crime. Then they have children and the cycle continues anew. While I believe that these criminals should still be punished, I don't believe harsher sentences would do anything to fix the root source of the problem.
See, I would think a large portion of the minorities that come here don't care to succeed like many of the European immigrants. We came to this country with nothing, and within 2 weeks, my dad had a job. Over 20 years both of my parents have worked their asses off to learn the language, and their paychecks have paid off. Many minorities don't choose to learn our language(one of the reasons I'm against bilingual education). They resort to drugs and crime to get ahead. I don't think that's our fault. I also think crime causes poverty, because you can't explain white collar crime if you it's the other way around.
And completely off topic - AOE is why I aced history in High School. [/B]
AOE is why I skipped a lot of class.