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Originally posted by Nephthys
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DB, you and I had an argument pages back on morality and you said that Hitler and Stalin were the result of lacking religious morality and atheism.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Hitler wasn't a practicing Christian. Hitler's belief was that Aryan blood was pure. This isn't a Christian belief. Furthermore, Hitler was full of shit 100% of the time. He burned both Jewish and Christian bibles. I believe one of his quotes was something like "The Jews represent the conscience, we must destroy the conscience, we must destroy the Jews."
After dredging through the shit pile that is Mein Kampf, I think I have enough quotes to disprove any nonsense that Hitler and WW II is in any way related to atheism.
By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious-dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence."
Hitler equates a lack of religion as a lack of morality.
"The task of preserving and advancing the highest humanity, given to this earth by the benevolence of the Almighty, seems a truly high mission."
Hitler believes that God wants him to advance the Aryan cause.
"It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god"
Hitler talking about God again.
"The result of all racial crossing is therefore in brief always the following: (a) Lowering of the level of the higher race; (b) Physical and intellectual regression and hence the beginning of a slowly but surely progressing sickness. To bring about such a development is, then, nothing else but to sin against the will of the eternal creator."
Racist nonsense justified by appealing to the will of God.
Regardless of whether or not Hitler was a "true" Christian is in fact irrelevant. The man was most certainly not an Atheist and not even remotely rational. All those above quotes are taken from Mein Kampf, Hitler's manifesto.
Originally posted by Autokrat
DB, you and I had an argument pages back on morality and you said that Hitler and Stalin were the result of lacking religious morality and atheism.After dredging through the shit pile that is Mein Kampf, I think I have enough quotes to disprove any nonsense that Hitler and WW II is in any way related to atheism.
Hitler equates a lack of religion as a lack of morality.
Hitler believes that God wants him to advance the Aryan cause.
Hitler talking about God again.
Racist nonsense justified by appealing to the will of God.
Regardless of whether or not Hitler was a "true" Christian is in fact irrelevant. The man was most certainly not an Atheist and not even remotely rational. All those above quotes are taken from Mein Kampf, Hitler's manifesto.
DS*. I can also give hundreds of quotes of Hitler degrading Judaism, Christianity, and organized religion. I can give you quotes where Hitler thought he was the Supreme Being. And finally, there is nothing "religious" about claiming your country and coutrymen possesses pure blood and everyone else is inferior. Furthermore, you're going to sit there and call Hitler and Mein Keimf "irrational", yet use that as a disprove to "atheism"? Go back to the drawing board Veneficus.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
DS*. I can also give hundreds of quotes of Hitler degrading Judaism, Christianity, and organized religion. I can give you quotes where Hitler thought he was the Supreme Being. And finally, there is nothing "religious" about claiming your country and coutrymen possesses pure blood and everyone else is inferior. Furthermore, you're going to sit there and call Hitler and Mein Keimf "irrational", yet use that as a disprove to "atheism"? Go back to the drawing board Veneficus.
DS this is an example where your tactic of insulting your opponent has backfired; when combined with the mistakes here it only makes you look bad. Specifically, it appears that you have completely misunderstood his point. From the word "furthermore" onward, everything is wrong.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
DS this is an example where your tactic of insulting your opponent has backfired; when combined with the mistakes here it only makes you look bad. Specifically, it appears that you have completely misunderstood his point. From the word "furthermore" onward, everything is wrong.
1. Prove it. Be specific. Otherwise you look ridiculous by simply claiming something is wrong without any substance to back it up.
2. Show me where I'm insulting my opponent? Telling someone to go back to the drawing board isn't an insult, at least not in my book.
2. Show me where I'm insulting my opponent? Telling someone to go back to the drawing board isn't an insult, at least not in my book.
1. Prove it. Be specific. Otherwise you look ridiculous by simply claiming something is wrong without any substance to back it up.
Anyways:
Furthermore, you're going to sit there and call Hitler and Mein Keimf "irrational", yet use that as a disprove to "atheism"? Go back to the drawing board Veneficus.
Having gotten that out of my system we can proceed. Ven pointed, as did you, at various sources that Hitler was not an atheist. He put up several passages that indicate some sort of theistic belief, and you yourself alluded to a passage in which he believes himself to be a deity. None of these pieces of evidence do anything except suggest that Hitler was something other than an atheist.
Moreover, the comment that indicated that Hitler was not rational was not the keystone of Ven's argument. That is, his position is only peripherally related to Hitler's ability to reason. Rather, Ven's position is supported by the variety of evidence that he provided-- the quoted passages that indicate some form of belief. Attacking his word "irrational" will not make the rest of the argument go away.
Damn you Evangelion. Why does your opening have to be so awesome yet your protagonist so lame. Also the first 7 episodes are lame too. And most of the characters. Asuka's the only cool person so far, and Gendo hasn't done enough yet. Seriously, he does nothing, why teh hell is he in charge? Shades are nice though....
