this one too
this one too
Do you count the deaths incurred during colonization by the Western imperialist power against capitalism? How about the textile industrialization in New England and the UK, fueled with cheap slave labor picked cotton?I recommend this thread. Ask yourself whether the standards, concepts, and framework of most mainstream academic political and historical commentary is principled or whether it serves similar domestic political interest to every other group of kept intellectuals spouting the domestic ideology for any other Power of history.
Also, as Stas pointed out, geopolitics warped "scientific" political economy in many ways; the U.S. deliberately financed the reconstruction of allied powers on the periphery of official enemies, such as Western Europe, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea. Other areas which were subject to de-emphasis and were useful for economic exploitation were less important, vis-a-vis, South America.
There appears to be a measure of confusion here. At the very least your statement supposes that I believe capitalism is the shining path of righteousness that can do no wrong. This is not the case. Capitalism, like any system has its flaws and capacity to abuse. I do not excuse the crimes of imperialism any more than I would the horrors of the U.S.S.R. That being said, the fact that crimes have been committed in the name of imperialism, does not lessen the truth Communism has yet to produce a working state any of us posting here, would want to live in. You could perhaps cite China or Cuba as an example that proves otherwise, but I invite you to question the idea of living in a state where the precious right to disagree with the government and debate over matters social and political, has been revoked.
Atrocities have been committed on both sides of the political spectrum, but notice something. You are free to speak of how horrific some of the crimes the U.S committed are. A member of the CIA or the FBI is not going to knock on your door at 3 A.M and drag you off to be interrogated and shot or say sent to a prison camp in conditions creating an average lifespan of four months. (Kolyma anyone?)
Were you to try such brazen attacks on the actions of The Party in the U.S.S.R, you could expect the NKVD to make you suddenly and silently vanish, never to be seen again. I imagine you would receive a similar response in China or Cuba and most certainly North Korea.
In terms of your thread, you will forgive me if I place my faith in my professors and the peer reviewed academic sources they have provided me as opposed to the argument of a Communist apologist on the Internet.
---------------------------------
Communist apologist hypocrisy!
Atrocities have been committed on both sides of the political spectrum, but notice something. You are free to speak of how horrific some of the crimes the U.S committed are. A member of the CIA or the FBI is not going to knock on your door at 3 A.M and drag you off to be interrogated and shot or say sent to a prison camp in conditions creating an average lifespan of four months. (Kolyma anyone?)Were you to try such brazen attacks on the actions of The Party in the U.S.S.R, you could expect the NKVD to make you suddenly and silently vanish, never to be seen again. I imagine you would receive a similar response in China or Cuba and most certainly North Korea.
In terms of your thread, you will forgive me if I place my faith in my professors and the peer reviewed academic sources they have provided me as opposed to the argument of a Communist apologist on the Internet.
Very accurate, this has happened to my grandparents a few times in their lives. Everytime my parents talk about living in Russia, my dad gets pissed, and then patriotic about America.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Very accurate, this has happened to my grandparents a few times in their lives. Everytime my parents talk about living in Russia, my dad gets pissed, and then patriotic about America.
They always pull this stupid Red Herring about how America ****ed over the Native Americans and propped up dictators during the Cold War.
Yes, I know, but does it change what took place in China or the U.S.S.R? No, it doesn't but they keep bringing it up anyways.
Originally posted by Autokrat
They always pull this stupid Red Herring about how America ****ed over the Native Americans and propped up dictators during the Cold War.Yes, I know, but does it change what took place in China or the U.S.S.R? No, it doesn't but they keep bringing it up anyways.
The irony of your statement is this is usually used by diehard leftists AND philosophy majors to denounce the "War on Terror", as well as Vietnam. We get it, we ****ED UP with the Indians, it's time to move on.
The reparations thing bugs me as well. I live in Washington and the state actually pays out money here to several tribes.
Ridiculous.
And totally random but this chick's voice is ****ing amazing.
Originally posted by Autokrat
And totally random but this chick's voice is ****ing amazing.
QFT.