The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

answer me this:

If someone's environment turns them into pure scum (loosely paraphrasing your paragraph 8 there) are they any less pure scum than someone who was born pure scum?

Either way, you have scum at the end, and regardless that scum must be dealt with. You can't rehabilitate someone who is damaged beyond repair. You merely put more lives at risk by trying.

I think you might misunderstand my position: I do not believe all muslims are violent. I do believe however, that it is a religion that teaches violence. How seriously the Muslims take that rhetoric is up to them, and luckily most don't take it as far as others. The people are fine, their religion is f'd up.

Originally posted by Zampanó
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Originally posted by truejedi
answer me this:

If someone's environment turns them into pure scum (loosely paraphrasing your paragraph 8 there) are they any less pure scum than someone who was born pure scum?

Either way, you have scum at the end, and regardless that scum must be dealt with. You can't rehabilitate someone who is damaged beyond repair. You merely put more lives at risk by trying.

I think you might misunderstand my position: I do not believe all muslims are violent. I do believe however, that it is a religion that teaches violence. How seriously the Muslims take that rhetoric is up to them, and luckily most don't take it as far as others. The people are fine, their religion is f'd up.

Oh no I agree with you for the most part TJ. I look at Muslims with a hint of suspicion but that alone doesn't indicate their religion is violent by nature, only the literal interpretations.

the real world is not a nice place, and he would prefer that we do evil things to the enemy, and ultimately win, then allow the enemy to do evil things to us, and win. An ends justify the means type of deal.

Originally posted by truejedi
Either way, you have scum at the end, and regardless that scum must be dealt with. You can't rehabilitate someone who is damaged beyond repair. You merely put more lives at risk by trying.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
While I approve of the concept, I don't think TJ's stance is that how he feels is a morally correct stance. Based upon what I can remember about our conversation about him thinking it would be a good idea to line up Afghan non-combatants and shoot them to inspire fear, his stance is that while his feelings and methods are illogical, hypocritical, and borderline psychotic, the real world is not a nice place, and he would prefer that we do evil things to the enemy, and ultimately win, then allow the enemy to do evil things to us, and win. An ends justify the means type of deal.

P.S. Machiavellian FTW.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I recommend chlorine. Or Mr. Clean.

Islam (radical or no) won't reform in the time slot allotted. It took Christianity over a thousand years. There may be "moderates" now, but in the lives of Western nations, there aren't enough moderates. Decimating their numbers is the quickest, simplest solution.

P.S. Machiavellian FTW.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
He's saying you have to fight fire with fire, eye for an eye, etc..

That's... exactly what I said. Just... worded differently. 😐

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I love the smell of brutal efficiency in the morning.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
That's... exactly what I said. Just... worded differently. 😐

lol, exactly, you both got it. The only way to stop the violence of Islam is to make them all the enemy, or else we have Afghanistan on a world stage: A small percentage of them are the enemy, but they hide among the peaceful muslims, the peaceful muslims DON'T turn them in, so they attack, kill, and go back into hiding, and we NEVER get all of the enemy. Without assigning enemy status to all, we doom ourselved to perpetual war.

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Originally posted by Zampanó
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the anniversaries of Hiroshima and, Nagasaki, followed immediately by VJ day?

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2010-11-04/news/setting-sun-steve-nash-s-quitting-the-phoenix-suns-to-enter-canadian-politics/5/

WHAT. THE . ****?

Kublai Khan controlling all of Asia because he wiped out every city who opposed him until no one did?

Thats two examples.

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Carpet bombing is wasteful and inefficient. "Kill anything that moves", strategic nuclear drops, mass-blockade/boycott of supplies and immigrants, enforced starvation, biochemical warfare... those are what's needed to wipe out the Middle East, Indonesia, and North Africa (may as well get the rest while we're at it). Used efficiently, ruthlessly, then all those things WOULD solve our problem.

The problem is that Israel is smack dab in the middle of everything and America isn't rushing to wipe out its biggest ally.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2010-11-04/news/setting-sun-steve-nash-s-quitting-the-phoenix-suns-to-enter-canadian-politics/5/

WHAT. THE . ****?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
The problem is that Israel is smack dab in the middle of everything and America isn't rushing to wipe out its biggest ally.

We could give them Nevada. They were stupid enough to vote for Reid again, they obviously don't deserve what they have.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
The problem is that Israel is smack dab in the middle of everything and America isn't rushing to wipe out its biggest ally.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
They're not rushing to exterminate a billion people either 😉

No but when push comes to shove, I assure you Israel is going to make the first step.

The problem with Islam is that at its core, it is fundamentally violent religion. No amount of rationalizations or logical word twisting can change the meaning of these verses.

9.28-9.30
[9.28]O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

Either truly moderate can Muslims denounce shit like this or get the hell away.

4.34
[4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

3.85
[3.85]If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost.

I could go on, the book is filled with this barbaric shit and I haven't even started on the Hadith.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
No but when push comes to shove, I assure you Israel is going to make the first step.