Originally posted by Slash_KMC
But... if the Federation had won and they made the attack legal, then Palpatine wouldn't have been in his beneficial position, right?But... if Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon both got killed then Anakin would have never been trained, right?
But... if Padmé died, he wouldn't have been able to use her possible death to turn Anakin, right?
But... if he killed Mace, then he wouldn't have been able to turn Anakin like he did, right?
But... that turned out for the best according to the alternate ending of the ROTS game, right?
Not Slash, but me
Even then, the man suffers some setbacks which he must cleverly redirect into victories.
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How are those setbacks? They further his ultimate goal of turning Anakin.
What was his actual plan to turn Anakin? Him not being trained in the first place would be bad, him not having a key reason to join the Sith (saving his female) would be bad, him seeing Sidious brutally have murdered 4 Jedi would have been aweful...
Why did he want Anakin to become twice as powerful as him anyway? That would mean his own death and isn't that exactly his greatest fear?
EDIT: Actually, there's no real setback in the entire prequels.
Slash
How are those setbacks? They further his ultimate goal of turning Anakin.
His ultimate goal was not turning Anakin, but securing power. Anakin, like Dooku and Maul and everyone else, is perfectly expendable.
Slash
What was his actual plan to turn Anakin? Him not being trained in the first place would be bad, him not having a key reason to join the Sith (saving his female) would be bad, him seeing Sidious brutally have murdered 4 Jedi would have been aweful...
Palpatine wasn't even aware of Anakin's existence until his plan veered off with the presence of Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi. Anakin was discovered and came to his attention only when they reached Coruscant. Even then, there's nothing to indicate that his plan was anything other than securing the Chancellorship. Palpatine's means to ensnare Anakin was through Padme.
Slash
Why did he want Anakin to become twice as powerful as him anyway? That would mean his own death and isn't that exactly his greatest fear?
No, because ROTS Sidious didn't have the means to immortality.
Slash
EDIT: Actually, the only real setback I can imagine is being tossed by Vader.
That's another.
Originally posted by RagingBonerI could kind of see where these guys were going, but they were ousted as Star Wars fanboys as soon as they got to the Romance section and proclaimed the Anakin-Padme relationship superior to... any other romance. Bruce Wayne wasn't hurt enough because Rachel didn't love him to the extent that Padme did Anakin---what? It's inferior because the Joker played Batman for a fool? The romance is inferior because Rachel was kidnapped off-screen? That's not even remotely objective, it's pure emotional response, I'll bet, from the co-author "Marcy Dermansky".
This pretty much explains why.
A lot of those seem predicated on whether something "worked" within the film's story. Palpatine's success and Vader's influence vs. The Joker's lack of success (ultimately) and Batman's lack of influence (ultimately). They seems to equate in-universe success with a good character. That's not what a good movie's about, that's what a children's story is about. And the authors' choice of "superior dialogue" and their explanation is nothing short of silliness.
Gideon
This pretty much explains why.
I thought you - and Sithisis, the Return of the Jedi novelization, his appearances in the CWC, the opera scene and a very select few others in Revenge of the Sith, and perhaps some other sources - had made perfectly compelling arguments for the merit, substance, and intrigue to be found in the character as it was; there's no need to introduce articulate but insubstantial and morbidly slanted opinion pieces. I strongly appreciate the thematic merit of what was going on in Revenge of the Sith but it was not translated into a cinema that met its enormous potential. For that fact, as I do consider it incontrovertible - although I'd be immensely pleased to have someone change my mind - to go unrecognized in a piece that specifically espouses those virtues is indicative of a party with whom discussion is probably futile.
Slash
But... if the Federation had won and they made the attack legal, then Palpatine wouldn't have been in his beneficial position, right?But... if Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon both got killed then Anakin would have never been trained, right?
But... if Padmé died, he wouldn't have been able to use her possible death to turn Anakin, right?
But... if he killed Mace, then he wouldn't have been able to turn Anakin like he did, right?
But... that turned out for the best according to the alternate ending of the ROTS game, right
Most impressive.
I am going there.
And renaming it.
By myself of course, because you white/Arab/Japanese folk fvck up aborigines like it's no one's business.