Zoroastrianism

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
There is no concrete proof that Zoroastrianism predated Judaism, because no one truly knows when both religions precisely began.

however, Historically, it is proven that Zoroastrianism, like Judaism, predated Christianity by centuries at the very least.

Originally posted by Regret
Christianity claims to be the the correct manner of Judaism, it claims the Old Testament as part of its history, not some separate religion. Given that many Jews were Christian during and following Christ's life, they believed this to be true as well. Thus, current Christianity and current Judaism are separate branches of the Jewish religion that existed pre-Christ.

so...what ?

Zoroastrianism still preceded Christianity by a long shot....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
so...what ?

Zoroastrianism still preceded Christianity by a long shot....

But christanity is technically a Jewish sect. (and wasn't Zoroastrianism not monotheist anyway? I remeber reading something about how it was all about dichotomy)

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But christanity is technically a Jewish sect. (and wasn't Zoroastrianism not monotheist anyway? I remeber reading something about how it was all about dichotomy)

Zoroastrianism is considered by many to be the first monotheistic religion, in fact.

Duality, not dichotomy, is the focus of Zoroastrianism. However, Ahura Mazda, who is the all-powerful creator of all has a sworn enemy, known as Ahriman (or Angra Mainu), who is his counterpart in every way. Ahriman is demonic, and represents all evil and defiance of Ahura Mazda.

Ahura Mazda will send a savior to Earth, his name is Saoshyant, who will separate all people who are good from all people who are evil. The good people shall depart with Saoshyant, to the heavens, while the bad are left behind. Then, Ahura Mazda shall sentence the Earth to a blazing inferno, which wil wipe out all sinners.

Hmmm.....sounds soo familiar...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Zoroastrianism is considered by many to be the first monotheistic religion, in fact.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
so...what ?

Zoroastrianism still preceded Christianity by a long shot....

Originally posted by Regret
Christianity claims origin with Adam, the same as current Judaism and Islam.

Christianity's claim of origin with Adam is false, since Christianity did not exist until 200 years after Jesus' death. Nice Try 👇

Notice the word "claims"

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Christianity's claim of origin with Adam is false, since Christianity did not exist until 200 years after Jesus' death. Nice Try 👇

Would you like to present evidence that seemingly contradicts the current historical perception?

Originally posted by Nellinator
Umm... no.
Christianity existed within a maximum of twenty years after Jesus's death.

What Alliance said, and secondly, so what ? Zoroastrianism, factually, preceded Christianity....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Adam and Eve were [b]not prophets.... ❌

I don't understand where you learn your mythology from.... ? [/B]

Yes they r prophets ..Jews also belive in that ..

they were warning people from the satan , and invite them to belive in one god after their sun s death..I dont understand where you learn your mythology from 😄

Originally posted by Alliance
Would you like to present evidence that seemingly contradicts the current historical perception?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
What Alliance said, and secondly, so what ? Zoroastrianism, factually, preceded Christianity....

Okay, the epistles of Paul were written to the Christian churches in Asia Minor and Greece, that is the churches at Ephesus, Phillipi (actually this was in the Middle East), Corinth, Thessalonia, and other places. Now these gospels are dated to around 60 AD which is approximately 30 years after Jesus's death which is usually dated somewhere between 28AD and 33AD. Now for these letters to be written the churches must have pre-existed, probably by at least a few years which pushes the date of the Christian churches (and these were indeed Christian churches, not Jewish as they were focused on the death and resurrection and the worship of Jesus which was later attested to by Pliny of the Romans) in these areas to around 55AD which is less likely about 25 years after Jesus's death. We also have record of Christians existing and being called Christians prior to 80AD (that is, of course, only 50 years after Jesus's death) in the Book of Acts (which I think is more accurately dated to around 60AD which is only 30 years). That and it is an accepted fact that the church existed in Jerusalem prior to the other churches under James the Just. Since Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD (if I remember correctly) that would mean the church existed in Jerusalem within 40 years of Jesus's death.

So, in retrospect it was ambitious of me to say 20 years maximum it seems logical to assume a 30 year maximum, though I am inclined to believe that the church existed in Jerusalem almost immediately after the death of Jesus.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Would you care to post evidence refuting me?

I made a post last night, but apparently it never went through, so I will try again.

Zoroastrianism is first practiced in West Asia in approximately 1033 BCE.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Okay, the epistles of Paul were written to the Christian churches in Asia Minor and Greece, that is the churches at Ephesus, Phillipi (actually this was in the Middle East), Corinth, Thessalonia, and other places. Now these gospels are dated to around 60 AD which is approximately 30 years after Jesus's death which is usually dated somewhere between 28AD and 33AD. Now for these letters to be written the churches must have pre-existed, probably by at least a few years which pushes the date of the Christian churches (and these were indeed Christian churches, not Jewish as they were focused on the death and resurrection and the worship of Jesus which was later attested to by Pliny of the Romans) in these areas to around 55AD which is less likely about 25 years after Jesus's death. We also have record of Christians existing and being called Christians prior to 80AD (that is, of course, only 50 years after Jesus's death) in the Book of Acts (which I think is more accurately dated to around 60AD which is only 30 years). That and it is an accepted fact that the church existed in Jerusalem prior to the other churches under James the Just. Since Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD (if I remember correctly) that would mean the church existed in Jerusalem within 40 years of Jesus's death.

So, in retrospect it was ambitious of me to say 20 years maximum it seems logical to assume a 30 year maximum, though I am inclined to believe that the church existed in Jerusalem almost immediately after the death of Jesus.

Even if we presume that your estimate is correct, this places the beginning of Christianity between 33 and 63 CE; 1,066-1,096 years after Zoroastrianism had already began.

That wasn't the point. They seem to think Christianity started 200 years after the death of Jesus. That is simply not true. Of course Zoroastrianism preceeds Christianity, I am aware of that and it is not debatable.

Funny, I kind of thought christianity started when Jesus duped his first desciple into believing he was the son of god.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Funny, I kind of thought christianity started when Jesus duped his first desciple into believing he was the son of god.

nope Jesus started a reform sect of Judiasm it didn't become its own religion until after he died

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
nope Jesus started a reform sect of Judiasm it didn't become its own religion until after he died

Try not to miss the point...or the humor.

I just wonder who'll get the point first.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Try not to miss the point...or the humor.

I'll try