X-Men: The Last Stand Discussion

Started by Britrogue26 pages

Originally posted by BILLYBILLYBOB
Britrirogue... stop using the Jean - Jane misspell as a point to prove anything. I think I haver read this twice in this post...

Third time I will puke my brains out. This is a forum, my spelling sucks and I do not double check internet posts on lousy forums so I take it martinus did the same thing, and instead of saying: "Ha u wrote JAne instead of Jean u deserve to die!" I just move on to saying how much the movie sucked, which did and in which I fully agree with this guy.

If you liked this movie there is something wrong with you and you probably need medicine, or therapy or a hardcore combination of both.

I apologise for not reading every post before I decide to post my own input. I just thught that was pretty funny. I wasn't saying anyone should die, nor was I giving anyone a hard time.
There is absolutely NO need to insult me or anyone else who liked this movie by saying that there is something wrong with us. I'm sorry, but that is extremely childish and I think you really need to take a bit of a breather and grow up a little. In none of my posts have I insulted anyone for saying that they did not like the film. In fact, if you re-read them, I actually agree with martinus on some of his points. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I have simply given mine. It has no effect on anyone else, nor should you be offended because someone may disagree with you.
Do NOT insult me so needlessly again. As I understand it, that is against the rules on this forum.

jump harnesses rule i use one all the time. but yes the common mutant power to suck it big time was quite prevalent and i loved the cheesy beast jumping into action pose. what did this movie need? a better script a better director better effects ,onslaught, wolverine getting the adamantium ripped out. a female marrow, mr sinister, why does magneto get the villain credit all the time.anyway tell all your friends and even your enemies not to go see this crap

Britrogue I am sorry if you felt insulted, it´s just my acid sense of humor.
I mean no offense to anyone.

and the movie sucked. period.

You know, I gave it a second thought.

The movie sucked A LOT!

My problem didn't come from the gapping logic holes, the graphics, the prolific deaths, or the absence/underdevelopment of characters. I had a problem with the fact that the story had been scaled down into a love story. Sure, the love story had always been there, but the main plot had always been bigger than that, bigger than Scot, Jean, and, yes, even Logan. That's why there were so many mutants, it was a world spanning story. What happened to Rogue's struggle with herself and perhaps even realization that she was that way for a reason? What happened to the grey spaces? What happened to anything other than fighting?

I saw it, it sucks. Save your money buy more comics if you like them... or just go and see this lousy movies. Yes!! a superheore movie can suck more than daredevil!!!

i have to say that i agree with alovon about the action. there was one very two scenes it was crazy. i think the movie really lacked a script, some of the things the characters said, though it was amusing, it didn't seem very much in character..but maybe thats jst me. the special fects were good, jean looked so creepy, but i felt like there was much content in the movie so as that u cudn't really feel for the characters. like when xavier died, i was jst like..wot? and the thing with rogue really shud have been a big thing, infact the cure really should have made a bigger impact within the school and caused more tention between the various characters.

overall, i gess it wasn't a horrible moive, but really i expected more from it.

Originally posted by Prince Nauj
does she fly a lot at least?

She does fly more than in the other movies...

That movie was so bad, just the thought of it makes me mad. X-Men ended at X2 for me.

Originally posted by Martinus
AND YOU CANT KILL CYCLOPS AND XAVIER!! Who did this movie?? Cyclops is a very important character and one of the best Xmen, you just can kill him like this! The director never gave him the importance that he diserves, and now he kills him, WORST IDEA EVER!! What good characters are left? Only Wolverine and Storm, the other ones sux!! Im an Xmen fan and I cannot see how you can ruin a film like this!! They way that Jane killed averybody was really bad, too much 3D, only poligons in the air. Juggernaught is just another evil mutant, LOL. It seems that the director doesnt know anything about the Xmen story!!

IM VERY ANGRY!!!! LOL

1) Cyclop's actor wanted out of the franchise...what better way than to let him be killed by the woman he loves, to show that the situation is really bad and she is really no longer the person we knew?!

2) Charles is not dead!!! You would have noticed that, if you would have waited until after the credits.
Nonetheless, his confrontation with Phoenix was (imo) the strongest and by far the most frightful scene in all of the X-movies. It let me think: "How can this possibly be solved, now that Charles is gone?"

3) I liked very much, that the mutants died that fast and in such number ...makes the whole situation more realistic and the danger posed by Phoenix more acute.

4) Really bad in this film for me were only Rouge's and Angel's (practically non existing) parts and perhaps a little too much action. Otherwise i liked it a lot and even appreciated the changes they made (i don't like 1:1 / book:film adaptions).

i think the movie was fantastic. you guys are being WAY to picky about it. the movies can't be exactly like the comics. i do wish the movie was longer, but you couldn't possibly fill in as much background and character developement as you people are demanding.

plus, these movies are trying to pull in people who aren't already huge X-Men fans. It would be too much to make every single thing consistent.

story line was great. cg was mind blowing. I felt emotional attachment all through the movie. stop being so anal and just enjoy it!

I think people might be over reacting, the movie couldn't be the worse shit on the face of the planet.

I think it's suffering from the over-hyped expectations that were placed on it. That, and a lot of these people were thinking/hoping it would be just like the comics. Wierd, since the first two weren't at all like the comics. I don't see why people chose now to get dissapointed with that. I haven't seen it myself yet, but because I've soaked up all the spoilers I have a pretty good idea how it goes. This is an adaptation people. Just think of it as yet another alternate universe. Like Ultimate X-Men. Same characters, different story/background/allegience/fate for most of them. The movies aren't doing anything the comics didn't, as far as changing the story. Of course people can feel how they want. I'm sure that not everyone was a fan of Ultimate X-Men, just they had the proper perspective on the story when they decided if they liked it or not.

Twenty years before the events of X-Men, Charles Xavier and Erik Lehnsherr, two mutant-rights activists, encounter an extremely powerful telepathic pre-teen — Jean Grey. At the behest of her parents, the two men bring her into their care to teach her how to control her powers.

Ten years later, another young mutant — Warren Worthington III — deals with his own mutation. Having sprouted feathery wings, he attempts to cut them off in his bathroom with a rasp. When his father stumbles in on him, the older man vows to find a cure for his son's "sickness."

Shortly after the events of X2, Logan (Wolverine) and Ororo Munroe (Storm) lead several young mutants in a survival exercise in the Danger Room, a special combat simulator at the X-Mansion. Meanwhile, a heartbroken Scott Summers (Cyclops) is haunted by memories of his deceased partner. He is not alone in his turmoil — Professor Xavier also senses her presence. Cyclops decides to return to Alkali Lake, where Jean Grey apparently sacrificed herself to rescue her fellow X-Men. Shortly thereafter, Professor X is teaching an ethics course, using either video or a live feed of his colleague Dr. Moira MacTaggert, Xavier discusses the possibility of transplanting one's mind into a brain-dead person in order to sustain one's life. The ethics class is then interrupted by a telepathic disturbance in which Xavier pauses and dismisses his class immediately. Moments later shocking news comes over the television: Warren Worthington II, head of the Worthington Pharmaceutical Company, has announced that scientist Dr. Kavita Rao has developed an antigen that suppresses mutation. Suddenly, the X-Men face the philosophical dilemma of whether or not their mutant powers are gifts or hindrances. Especially affected is young Rogue, who cannot touch another person without draining their energy. Dr. Hank McCoy, a former student of Xavier and US Cabinet member, returns to the mansion to offer his counsel.

In a San Francisco office building, resisting his father's wishes to cure mutation, Warren Worthington III (Angel in the comics, though that name is unused in the film), escapes from a high-rise office building using his now full-grown wings.

All over the country, mutants rally together to discuss the ramifications of the "cure." At a rally in a crumbling church, Magneto and Pyro warn their fellow mutants that the cure will be used to exterminate mutants on a genocidal level. Recruiting Callisto, Arclight, and Kid Omega (whose powers appear to be those of Quill in the comics; see "Cast Notes" below), Magneto attempts to locate Mystique, who had been captured trying to steal information about the "cure". The group ambushes a prison convoy, freeing her along with the Juggernaut and the Multiple Man, and prepare to assemble an army to ambush the medical facility holding the source of the antigen--a pre-teen mutant named Jimmy, codenamed Leech in his government file, whose own power is to remove the mutant abilities of others while in their proximity — and whose blood is the ultimate source of the "cure". In their escape from the convoy, however, a guard shoots Mystique with a "cure" gun. As her blue color and morphing abilities wither, Magneto — who sees the gun as proof of his beliefs regarding forced treatment — abandons her as a casualty of war.

At Alkali Lake, Scott re-encounters Jean, evidently alive, but then he suffers a terrible fate. Sensing trouble, Professor X deploys Wolverine and Storm to investigate. When the arrive at the lake, they encounter an unconscious Jean. Returning to the mansion, a grave Professor X explains that when Jean survived the dam collapse depicted in X2, she unleashed a powerful split-personality which he calls Phoenix, previously kept in check by his telepathic blocks. Across the country, Callisto senses that Jean is now a "Class 5" mutant, and more powerful than even Magneto. Waking from her sleep, Jean again loses control, and escapes to her parents' house.

There, Magneto and Professor X vie for her loyalty. The enraged and resentful Jean disintegrates Professor X for his manipulation of her mind, and escapes with Magneto just as Wolverine and Storm attempt to intervene. Devastated by their loss, the remaining X-Men hold a funeral for their teacher, and then prepare to band together under Storm's leadership. Students Colossus, Kitty Pryde, and Bobby Drake (Iceman) unite with Storm, Wolverine, and McCoy, who now resurrects his old X-Men codename: Beast. Notably absent is Rogue, who has snuck off to seek "the cure."

Using information from the de-powered Mystique, the army attempts to capture Magneto's army only to realize they have been deceived by Multiple Man. Magneto and his Brotherhood of Mutants have already moved on to San Francisco. To reach the Worthington Laboratories facility on Alcatraz Island, Magneto manipulates the Golden Gate Bridge to it. As his mutants rush onto the island, the army counterattacks by firing syringes of the antigen. As mutant after mutant is de-powered, Arclight unleashes her shock wave powers, smashing through the army barrier. She, Kid Omega and Psylocke break into the facility. Inside, they find Dr. Rao and Warren Worthington II. Kid Omega kills Rao, while Psylocke and Arclight drag Worthington to the roof where he is rescued by Angel.

In the midst of the chaos, the X-Men arrive to defend the island against the Brotherhood. As old friends Pyro and Iceman engage in battle, Kitty Pryde follows Juggernaut into the lab, looking for Jimmy. When they each locate the boy, Kitty tricks Juggernaut into charging toward them, knocking himself unconscious running full-force into a wall, depowered around Jimmy. Outside, the battle rages, with Storm killing Callisto and Iceman defeating Pyro. Magneto encourages Jean to channel her full power against the labs. As Jean disintegrates mutants and humans by the dozen, Wolverine manages to distract Magneto long enough for Beast to stab him with four syringes full of the antigen. As Magneto's powers fade, he escapes from the island a broken man, muttering in horror, "What have I done?"

With Jean raging out of control, Storm and the rest of the X-Men get to safety. Wolverine, with his healing power that resists disintegration, is the only one who can reach Jean, and he makes his way to her step by painful step as she unrelentingly tries to kill him. When he reaches her, the old Jean returns for a moment, horrified herself, and asks that he kill her. Telling Jean, "I love you," he stabs her with his adamantium claws and she dies in his arms.

In the aftermath, Storm and Wolverine resume duties of running and maintaining the mutant academy. Rogue has returned, and confesses to Bobby she has taken the "cure", having decided that giving up her powers is better than living a life untouchable. McCoy is appointed to an ambassador position at the United Nations, with the President declaring an end to mutant oppression.

In a park, Erik Lehnsherr, now simply an ordinary old man, sits alone at a chessboard, looking tired and despondent. Then he reaches out, tentatively, toward a metal chess piece, and it gives an almost imperceptible shake, hinting either that he may have retained some of his mutant power after all or that the cure itself may be temporary, despite the claims that the cure is permanent. The film credits roll. In Ireland, Dr. MacTaggert suddenly hears Xavier's voice, realizing that Xavier had transplanted his consciousness into the mind of her brain-dead patient. (This can be assumed since in the ethics class near the beginning of the movie, he is seen telling his students about the possibility of shifting one's mind into a brain-dead person in order to sustain one's life).

Originally posted by Ritoshi
the worst super heroes movie Ive seen!! < lets not get carried away mr. spoiler. You have not seen catwoman,elektra and others yet. I doubt it will be even worse than the eh movie slike dare devil,hulk,punisher

No shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This guy just blurbed out the entire fuking movie in a rant.

What is he a noob?

Omy god I just checked.
He registered yesterfukingday

^ thank goodness i just came from seeing X3, lol

to bad anyway. it was a typical normal xmen movie.

Where was the last stand...And the whole magneto thing, how fckd up is that. The director committed alot of character atrocities and spat at the comics rendition.

Ratner's view blew.

Good god why did it suck ass, what made x2 better ?

What made pt.2 better?

1. Night crawler

2. 10x better than it's predecessor

3. Better story than 3

4. Corney one liners were kept to a minimum

and i could keep going.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
What made pt.2 better?

1. Night crawler

2. 10x better than it's predecessor

3. Better story than 3

4. Corney one liners were kept to a minimum

and i could keep going.

Nightcrawler wasn't in batman begins but it wwas still good. bah Nightcrawler only had one good part in part 2 so....

ok better story than 3 is the only thing you could use in your list.

Ok here is a couple more questions...What parts did anyone like about the movie. Were the actions scenes even good!!. If so many people died then how is it not emotional ?