X-Men: The Last Stand Discussion

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Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Where was the last stand...And the whole magneto thing, how fckd up is that. The director committed alot of character atrocities and spat at the comics rendition.
Thank god he did!!!
I'm a huge fan of the X-Men comics for about 20 years now, but i couldn't imagine anything more boring than a 1:1 film adaption of one of the comic story lines.
It would be uninspired, without any surprises, look rather ridiculous and be most likely nothing for those who don't read the comics (and are the majority of those who make a film successful in the theaters, btw).
I see the films more as an alternate reality like the ultimate universe, than as a portrayal of the current 616 X-universe...and i really like them this way!!! ✅

Spoiler:
only thing that p/oed me was that mystique got cured right at the beginning and that angel, rogue and countless others had barely any part in it. Why introduce them if they do nothing? Other than that, it was really good. Oh ya, I hate how everything somehow ends with wolverine saving the day. He isn't that strong. Bastard.

Now I hear they are making another wolverine movie. WTF? We need a new main character. Jackman plays his part very well, but the wolverine part has been way overdone.

Originally posted by Martinus
First of all, cyclops is one of the most important and popular characters of the x men and the director never gave him the importance that he diserves. I dont mind what the hell was this director thinking when he did that of what he wanted to explain but he just cant kill a character with so history behind and so many fans just because of that. "cyke" was in the comic since the beggining and he ( maybe not as popular ) is very important as wolverine for the xmen, and maybe more important in older times, and he just cant kill him like that, he is no one to do it, i think that this is when the character is more important than the person.
You could be right about the video games, I didnt play them but I think that movies shouldnt be attached to viedo games, cause most of people that go to the cinemas doesnt play them. Maybe he shouldnt do such short films, he could use more time to explain more ( as Warren story ).
Juggernaught is a very amazing character with so much history behind him, and the director destroyed him in this movie, first of all he s a non mutant so he couldnt be beatten like that. He took him as another bad mutant and he s more than that, he didnt show that hes half brother of Xavier, things like that makes me feel like the director have no idea about xmen, cause you dont have to be a huge fan to know about it.
If you want to know more about the mutilations that he had suffered pls read:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut_%28comics%29

Okay. Dude. Seriously. Stfu about Ratner. If you want to blame someone, blame the writers.

It X1 was ok..it couldn't be as x1 is

Originally posted by Ritoshi
the worst super heroes movie Ive seen!! < lets not get carried away mr. spoiler. You have not seen catwoman,elektra and others yet. I doubt it will be even worse than the eh movie slike dare devil,hulk,punisher

I agree. I'm thinking this person is like 15, and has not seen:

Catwoman
Elektra
Batman and Robin
Superman III & IV
Batman Forever
Captain America
1970's Spider-man, Captain Amerca, and wonder woman

Just because it was little disapointing, well tough

Like I said, and have said with star wars for years..Its over move on.

I havnt seen it yet, but I hear its not as bad as the above listed.

This also the first time were we had a super hero franchise stay consistent with the same cast, the special effects didn't detiorate as the movies progressed, and the overall look of the films didn't go from one way to all neon and cheap sets.

This one was the best of the three.

wtf guys...WTFFFFFF...its the best movie so far...i mean cmon,u dont need cyclops n jean to make a good xmen movie...n xavier will be back for the fourth i am sure they will make it

They said pretty much not a 4th one depending on how this one does because they did plant seeds for another one but they are doing alot of spin offs like Wolverine and Magneto and maybe some others.

The Official Fan Review Thread

Hello guys, Flavinho back. Place for your reviews. I’ll start diva

If you haven’t watched the movie, BACK OFF!!!! I’ll fill this with spoilers.

Spoiler:
First of all, I have to say that X-Men: The Last Stand is not even close to the greatness I once thought it would be. But it’s not a disaster either. My main complaint is the short running time. When the final battle was coming I thought “Jesus, I can’t believe!!!! Has even 20 minutes of film already passed?” Maybe all of the problems I will list are a direct consequence of the short running time.
As I am not and will not be a pessimist, I’ll list first the problems and then the goodies, to leave a sensation of fairness and joy.

Baddies:
-Alkali Lake scene. It lacks emotion and is really too short. Cyclops seem amazed by her return, but you really don’t see much of a desperate happiness, it was like he already knew she would come back.
-Phoenix rise: I could do that scene using ten dollars and a Photoshop and After Effects. I seriously always hoped to see Jean fully rising with water around her, and not some crap yellow light and BAM she’s there standing.
-Storm: I was 99,999999% sure Storm would kick ass and be my favorite character, but I was wrong. Unfortunately, I have to admit that its Halle’s fault. I was a supporter of her, but now there’s no excuse, she has the deepest and greatest lines of the movie, but cant deliver them right. Yes, she’s perfect in her Eulogy at the funeral (I cried), but other than that, she’s the same as in X2.
-Wolverine saving Jean “I’m the only one who can save her”…HUH? HUH?!?! You are the only one who shouldn’t save her!!!!!! I would bee happier even if Leech had saved Jean instead of Logan.
-Phoenix: I am now sure that the Dark Phoenix saga deserved its own movie. Phoenix is terribly underused.
-The movie as a whole seems rushed. I wouldn’t really mind having a 3 hours length X3.
-Arclight: she saw Storm coming and did nothing but wait to get pwned.
-Danger Room. No point in it at all.
-The film does lack heart. Yes, it has lots of tragic and dramatic scenes, but in almost none of them i could care less for the characters.
- The writers said we would see creative use of powers. Anyone seen them? Because I didn’t. Storm is all about Lightning, when she actually has one of the most versatile powers of this universe. Everything she does is lightning bolts here, there, everywhere.
I thought the scene of Rogue stealing Colossus powers would be awesome. Heck, does it last 2 seconds even? Its lame.
-Psylocke. What’s the point of having her if not even the powers are accurate? I hoped to see psi-blades…
-All the wire-work: I understand now why Singer had a problem with flying.
-Last but not least: ROGUE do I need to say anything or can I just cry? It is not the fact that she takes the cure, but the fact that we just don’t seem her confused enough. *She wakes up, she goes take it, ok, she takes it. Yeah, done.* There should be at least two more scenes with her being totally confused and pondering if she should take it. There should be a scene of her actually taking it, and being sad and afraid. Now we don’t even get the possibility of her in future movies, unless she becomes the janitor of the mansion.

Goodies:
-First, if there’s one thing Ratner knew how to make, it was not being just an excuse for effects. I think every special effect do have a purpose to the story, just like the two previous movies.
-The two initial scenes: when I saw them, I thought YAY this is gonna be the best of the three. Well, imo they were misleading of what was coming. It wasn’t the best.
-The intro: I shuddered lots when I saw the cgi intro with the cure and dna. Love it.
-Thee score: Since the intro, its wonderful, maybe the best of the three, or only not better than X2, but its truly great.
-The whole scene on Jean’s neighborhood: very dynamic battles. I thouhtit would be one of those dumb “Let’s fight them for the sake of it” moments (like Wolverine vs Deathstryke in X2) but it wasnt. It showed really great moments.
-Still in Jean’s neighborhood, Jean vs Charles. Comments on Phoenix later, but that scene might be one of the greatest of the trilogy. I simply love it. I was crying (just like half of the cinema) when Professor passes away.
-Professor’s funeral. Halle Berry made me cry on that moment.
-Kitty Pride
-James Marsden: with the possible 13 seconds of screen time he has, he does a great job.
-Beast
-Wolverine: you’re a fan of him? Watch this film at least 5 times, because in my opinion he is better than any other X-movie in here. More drama and fury that this world has never witnessed.
- Phoenix effects. When I heard there would be no fire-bird, I was really disappointed, but I must admit that I didn’t miss it. Her effects are creepy, deadly and mighty. I was really scared of her at her house scene.
-Famke Janssen. I’m not being contradictory, I still think Phoenix is terribly underused, but, man, Famke does know how to deal with the thing she got. She’s amazing while onscreen.
-Final battle: though it could be way more creative, it was still a good ol’ battle.
-Quills killing Kavita: WOW! Didn’t see that coming.
-Mystique, Mystique, Mystique. This woman really knows how to steal the show. Love her.
-Magneto: unfair, because it was Bryan who brought him. Even if the writers gave him the line “I like Coconuts”, Mckellen would make it sound like an ultimate threat. He’s perfect as Magneto.
-Angel: lots of people complain that he’s got little to do, but I think that his arc worked really well as an attempt to show how painful it was to be a mutant and how do people get to Charles School.
-Juggernaut: except for the Juggernaut ***** line (a real actor was needed for such a big line, Vinnie isn’t able to speak so much), Juggs was a fun addition.
-Multiple-man: he has more importance than I thought, lol.

my last two cents: while a good popcorn flick, X3 does work. But IMHO, Fox should desperately and urgently bring Bryan and his writters back and make another version of X3. 🙁

(WD asks all of you posting in this thread to please use spoiler tags. There are people who haven't seen X3 yet)

Re: The Official Fan Review Thread

Originally posted by Flavio
When the final battle was coming I thought “Jesus, I can’t believe!!!! Has even 20 minutes of film already passed?” Maybe all of the problems I will list are a direct consequence of the short running time.

thats because u have been anticipating it for so long,star wars episode 3 was 2:10 long n i thaught it went by too fast but when i watch it again its long

1) Cyclop's actor wanted out of the franchise...what better way than to let him be killed by the woman he loves, to show that the situation is really bad and she is really no longer the person we knew?!

Of course he wanted to get out of the franchise, every actor should get out of the franchise. He should realised that what they were doing was insane not giving the importance that the main characters needed in every film. They only focused in Wolverine. Its an xmen movie!!! Cyclops is as important as Wolverine. They never care about Cyclops, Rougue, etc , main characters of xmen. And for worse, they are taking apart the best ones, and adding those sad and bad developed, Iceman and Colossus.
I think James Marsden was not the first one to go, they had to kill others or turn them into humans unnecesary. And really cool mutants like Mystique. Let me check who is not going to be if they make a fourth movie: Patrick Stewart, James Marsden, Rebecca Romijn and Ian McKellen ( ok, he could get the powers again and again the same evil mutant ). Yeah cool one, lets make a movie with Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry, Why dont we call it WOLVERINE??

I agree. I'm thinking this person is like 15, and has not seen:

Catwoman
Elektra
Batman and Robin
Superman III & IV
Batman Forever
Captain America
1970's Spider-man, Captain Amerca, and wonder woman

Lol, youre wrong, im 24 and ive seen old time super heroes movies, and grown up watching superman and justice league.
I havent seen Elecktra or Catwoman cause they were obviously bad movies. I expected much more about X3 and now ive seen it, i think that Elektra and Catwoman wouldnt be so bad.
It was a dissapointing movie for me, from the begining to the end, can you put your critic and dont care about what im saying?? Its my point of view.

Nah, but the short running time is responsible for the lack of development for characters like Rogue, to full understand the cure (we should have more ethical discussion on it), characters like Kavita Rao and Moira are just there to be there...why to call such amazing and known actresses to have two lines? i really wish we got more time, at least to dig all the deaths. When i was still catching the fact that Professor died, there was big scenes right after. In X2, you fully felt for Jean. Now, when she died, i was like "Meh" because we didnt even have time to get an affection for her, even though we watched the other movies...the characters in general had no soul 🙁

Originally posted by Martinus
1) Cyclop's actor wanted out of the franchise...what better way than to let him be killed by the woman he loves, to show that the situation is really bad and she is really no longer the person we knew?!

Of course he wanted to get out of the franchise, every actor should get out of the franchise. He should realised that what they were doing was insane not giving the importance that the main characters needed in every film. They only focused in Wolverine. Its an xmen movie!!! Cyclops is as important as Wolverine. They never care about Cyclops, Rougue, etc , main characters of xmen. And for worse, they are taking apart the best ones, and adding those sad and bad developed, Iceman and Colossus.
I think James Marsden was not the first one to go, they had to kill others or turn them into humans unnecesary. And really cool mutants like Mystique. Let me check who is not going to be if they make a fourth movie: Patrick Stewart, James Marsden, Rebecca Romijn and Ian McKellen ( ok, he could get the powers again and again the same evil mutant ). Yeah cool one, lets make a movie with Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry, Why dont we call it WOLVERINE??

Cyclops wasent doing much anyways...jean had to die,if they make a fourth,trust me charles will find a way back n magneto will come back,n they will add gambit im almost sure of that,n all the new caracthers from x3 will be bigger in x4,just give it time,they had to kill a few peeps

Originally posted by Flavio
i really wish we got more time, at least to dig all the deaths. When i was still catching the fact that Professor died, there was big scenes right after. In X2, you fully felt for Jean. Now, when she died,

u are absolutly right,but that dosent make it a bad movie like people tend to say,i think all the peeps that say it is bad didnt understand the movie that well,or didnt see the advantages it has to making a 4th one,all the new peeps from x3 would be bigger in x4 n we wouldnt have to worry about how much lines or time cyclops gets,u dig?

Originally posted by Xam
u are absolutly right,but that dosent make it a bad movie like people tend to say,i think all the peeps that say it is bad didnt understand the movie that well,or didnt see the advantages it has to making a 4th one,all the new peeps from x3 would be bigger in x4 n we wouldnt have to worry about how much lines or time cyclops gets,u dig?

i really liked it as a Friday afternoon movie and even as a close to the trilogy, but, i dont know, X3, for me, will be forever known as a "What if Bryan had made it" movie...
its not bad, but it could easily have been the best comic book movie of all time, and it isnt.

Originally posted by Flavio
i really liked it as a Friday afternoon movie and even as a close to the trilogy, but, i dont know, X3, for me, will be forever known as a "What if Bryan had made it" movie...
its not bad, but it could easily have been the best comic book movie of all time, and it isnt.

yeah,"what if bryan made?"...probly the same thing?...i think it woulda been the same thing...as stupid as i may sound i find him totaly dumb to have ditched xmen for superman,superman did not need to come back,xmen was in process,hes a quitter to me,quitting on such a franchise

Originally posted by Xam
yeah,"what if bryan made?"...probly the same thing?...i think it woulda been the same thing...as stupid as i may sound i find him totaly dumb to have ditched xmen for superman,superman did not need to come back,xmen was in process,hes a quitter to me,quitting on such a franchise

maybe, i dont approve his attitude either, personally, Bryan seems to be a very painful and boring diva person. But i cant deny that he made my favorite movie ever (X2).
Some people really like to complain, and im not one of those.
I really think the movie is way more coherent than i thought it would. People say Cyclops' death was pointless and given no importance, but i think it was pivotal and mostly everyone felt for him. I thought it was fitting, as much a fan of Cyke as i am.

Originally posted by Martinus
They never care about Cyclops, Rougue, etc , main characters of xmen. And for worse, they are taking apart the best ones, and adding those sad and bad developed, Iceman and Colossus.

i dont know if you remember this, but the first two movies had central roles for rogue. iceman was a much more prominent character in the second than the first, as was pyro. colossus was a somewhat background character throughout, just because someone has to be.

every point that's being complained about [character deaths, too many characters, not enough development, blah blah blah] served a point in the movie. it was done for the story, and it would've been a worse film without it.

for example, scott's death. cyclops either needed to disappear or die because marsden decided to do superman-specific roles from now on. as was said before, scott being killed by the woman he devoted himself to showed the dual nature of jean/phoenix [that part was me,] and that the character was not who we'd known. it was for effect, and it was done exceedingly well. what bothered me most about that scene, and the one of xavier's death, was halle berry's inability to successfully act out incredible sorrow.

on to xavier's death. it was a show of power. it was unexpected. it was supposed to make the watcher, who most often would cheer for the x-men, feel their stomach drop. AND IT WAS DONE WELL. did you see xavier just prior to dying? it was a better "obi wan kenobi" moment than the original. and the twist behind the credits, NOBODY saw that coming. it was a smart, unexpected idea. whether it plays out in another movie or not, it was still something that made you sit back because it was completely out of the blue, but made complete sense.

people are busy complaining that peripheral characters weren't being developed [though given that they are peripheral characters, they really aren't supposed to be,] but ignoring the development of several main characters. what about the discovery that xavier was being unethical, and adamantly so, with jean's mind? did anyone else see how badly wolverine's words stung him? did anyone else see the internal struggle he'd been dealing with? what about his angry outburst in his own defense? that's development, and given the trend of the more recent comics, it's very close to canon.

what about magneto? how cold was it of him to turn mystique away after she'd just saved him from the cure? how much did that tell of his character? or how about his scene telling pyro off, defending the life of xavier? are these scenes just getting forgotten because you people are so pissed about the "guy marrow"? was he credited as marrow in the credits? because there was really nothing besides bone spikes that made the two similar, and that in itself made him similar to 'the spike' who appeared in x-statix. so, while you're pissed she was a he, why not be pissed a black character was white?

let the small shit go. i admit some of the cgi was poor, like beast jumping off the building, but overall it was excellent. why does everyone have to pick it apart because, for some reason, they were ultimately disappointed?

Re: The Official Fan Review Thread

Originally posted by Flavio
-Wolverine saving Jean “I’m the only one who can save her”…HUH? HUH?!?! You are the only one who shouldn’t save her!!!!!! I would bee happier even if Leech had saved Jean instead of Logan.

I thought about that too, then remembers she's a psychic, so you can't get Leech close enough without him being atomized.

Watching wolverine getting zapped like that and healing back the damage like he was doing made me realize why he was the only one for the job. no one else could have gotten close enough, except for maybe the "grow those back" guy . . .

but it had to be someone who could get close enough, since we didn't have the benefit of the suicide by shi'ar laser bolt this time.

Originally posted by Flavio
People say Cyclops' death was pointless and given no importance, but i think it was pivotal and mostly everyone felt for him. I thought it was fitting, as much a fan of Cyke as i am.
Me? I'm in denial, he could still be alive, as could jean, the same way it happened in the comics, a Phoenix egg in the water, and this time Cyke could be in there with her.

That would allow them to bring both characters back whenever they want.