Storm vs Polaris

Started by Rutog985 pages

Originally posted by inamilist
I agree with this

Magnetic control is phenomenal.

I can't see any reason why Polaris couldn't just stabilize the minute magnetic fields within Storm's brain and kill her....

Considering that STorm controls electrical impulses and electrical and magnetic fields, why can't she do it to Polaris? Polaris has greater control over magnetism, but Storm has greater control over electricity. Storm is much more powerful than Polaris. They should not even be mentioned in the same breath.

Blah blah blah.

Polaris wins by reversing bloodflow. Something she's done on panel. Faster, instawin powers.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Blah blah blah.

Polaris wins by reversing bloodflow. Something she's done on panel. Faster, instawin powers.

Nope. Can Polaris do this do this while the other character is behind their energy field? I have not seen it. Storm's electrical field should work nicely to repell her magnetic powers. Also, why is Polaris getting the first hit? If they struck at the same time, Storm wins. Ororo's powers will take Polaris out of the fight on contact while Polaris will have to reach in Storm's body, locate those microscopic traces of metal in her and then manipulate them. Storm has a faster instant win than Lorna.

What power of Storms will instantly take out Polaris?

Originally posted by Rutog98
Considering that STorm controls electrical impulses and electrical and magnetic fields, why can't she do it to Polaris? Polaris has greater control over magnetism, but Storm has greater control over electricity. Storm is much more powerful than Polaris. They should not even be mentioned in the same breath.

ok, that is a fair question.

Storm COULD do something similar to this, she could create something akin to TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation). Basically, this is electrical impulses that are applied to the outside of the head that can shut down parts of the human mind. The technology is currently being used to simulate lesions in certain brain areas to better understand their function.

However, it is arguable weather or not this would work on Polaris, as her being a magnetic manipulator, she controls the things that make up the electricity. She could easily negate any charge in her brain. This may or may not happen, as the TMS could possibly disable her ability to think and react to these things.

Well, it IS a viable option, but hugely unlikely for a number of reasons (these are assumptions, please feel free to debate them)

1) The amount of electricity that would be used is so minute that it is arguable if Storm has that delicate control over it. Also, it has been brought up that electrical (which are the SAME THING as magnetic) attacks would be pretty useless against Polaris because she DOES have delicate control over the mechanisms of electricity (magnetism).

2) This is a unheard of tactic for Storm. If she had used it before, you would be saying it is her best ability in every thread.

3) The knowledge of TMS is very specialized. It is a BRAND new technology. It is arguable as to whether or not Storm would know of this process.

And, just a quick statement about this:

Originally posted by Rutog98
Polaris has greater control over magnetism, but Storm has greater control over electricity.

Electricity is Magnetism. For instance, imagine that you drive a car, but I am able to control all of its component part independent of one another.

You could drive, but i could turn the wheels wherever I wanted, Stop them, put you in reverse, pretty much do whatever I want. If storm uses electricity, she is driving the car, whereas Polaris would be able to disassemble that car piece by piece.

Originally posted by Brian Oswald
What power of Storms will instantly take out Polaris?

Lightning. She's done this already.

Originally posted by Rutog98
. Storm's electrical field should work nicely to repell her magnetic powers.

Please refer to my car analogy

allow me to add this: Storm is far more "powerful" in any sort of measure of degree. She is more versatile, experienced and has extreme control over what she controls.

However, in this case, Polaris just has a power that is insanely useful in a forum arena. Because we don't have to worry about plot devices or the economics of the industry, we can use characters to their fullest ability. In this case, it is just that Magnetism trumps A LOT OF PEOPLE!

Originally posted by Rutog98
Lightning. She's done this already.
Polaris should be able to control/absorb it tho

@Inamilist: Magnetism is a product of electricity. You think that Storm lacks delicate control over electricity? She has been able to fly on a bolt of lightning, she has been able to pull electricity out of magnetic fields, she has been able to create clothing out of thin air by manipulating electrons (this stunt alone puts her WAY beyond Lorna) and more.

Polaris should not even be able to grab ahold of the metal in Storm's blood (nor should Magneto) or be able to affect her directly with her powers. Storm has those enormous energies running through her and she has profound control over them.

Originally posted by Rutog98
@Inamilist: Magnetism is a product of electricity. You think that Storm lacks delicate control over electricity? She has been able to fly on a bolt of lightning, she has been able to pull electricity out of magnetic fields, she has been able to create clothing out of thin air by manipulating electrons (this stunt alone puts her WAY beyond Lorna) and more.

Polaris should not even be able to grab ahold of the metal in Storm's blood (nor should Magneto) or be able to affect her directly with her powers. Storm has those enormous energies running through her and she has profound control over them.

by delicate control I meant something more in the range of -35 mV up to 75 mV. Stuff that would require WAY less energy than lightning, but would require very delicate manipulation of the power. Show her doing something on panel like charging a watch battery or whatever without blowing it up. Then think WAY less power needed.

Basically, its the opposite of the way you are talking about "control".

I've given you excellent reasons for the blood thing... I can't believe you are still on about that...

And, well, the electron thing is kinda ridiculous. I won't argue it since I'm not in the mood to debate on panel feats right now, but why not show a feat of her controlling electrons that doesn't just result in her getting a new set of clothes?

And her having MORE of those energies running through her would just make her shine like a beacon. For Polaris to eliminate the resting potential of her nervous system she would need to stabilize the charge in side of all of Strom's neurons with that outside of them. The stronger that charge is, the easier it will be for Polaris to identify it and do her thing.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Where has MAgneto proved this? Also, Magneto is FAR more powerful than Polaris. They are not even close in power. Storm can and has overpowered Magneto.

Remember the scan where you say Storm broke Mags' shields with her winds...and everyone else says she didn't.
Well the page after that shows Magneto anchoring himself against her winds with his electromagnetism. UXM #150...I'm too lazy to dig up the scan but it's somewhere in the Jean vs Storm thread.

+=Polaris wins.
i.e.
On panel better reaction speed+On panel instawin=Polaris wins.

Originally posted by inamilist
by delicate control I meant something more in the range of -35 mV up to 75 mV. Stuff that would require WAY less energy than lightning, but would require very delicate manipulation of the power. Show her doing something on panel like charging a watch battery or whatever without blowing it up. Then think WAY less power needed.

Basically, its the opposite of the way you are talking about "control".

I've given you excellent reasons for the blood thing... I can't believe you are still on about that...

And, well, the electron thing is kinda ridiculous. I won't argue it since I'm not in the mood to debate on panel feats right now, but why not show a feat of her controlling electrons that doesn't just result in her getting a new set of clothes?

And her having MORE of those energies running through her would just make her shine like a beacon. For Polaris to eliminate the resting potential of her nervous system she would need to stabilize the charge in side of all of Strom's neurons with that outside of them. The stronger that charge is, the easier it will be for Polaris to identify it and do her thing.

Honestly, I just don't believe Polaris can do this. Magneto once manipulated the electrons in someone's mind to force them to tell him the truth. It was a move that took concentration. He had to put his hand on their forehead and everything.

This is something I believe to be beyond even Magneto. Can you show me Polaris doing something like this to someone?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
+=Polaris wins.
i.e.
On panel better reaction speed+On panel instawin=Polaris wins.

There you have it. It even took her time to take out Bobby. He had a whole panel to talk and everything.

As far as Polaris absorbing Storm's lightning or redirecting it, Storm has too much of it. Polaris' powers are not unlimited and she can only manipulate a certain amount of power. Storm exeeds her by a lot. Polaris is shown doing more magnetic feats since that is her only power. Storm's powers overlaps Lorna's but she has many other powers as well. Its really something that I would like to see developed more with STorm. Honestly, I don't see why we don't see Storm doing more matter manipulation if she can do this.

You want other feats with electron control from Ororo? Well, there is an early X-Treme X-Men issue where Storm is underwater with the X-Men. She generates an electrolysis field which breaks down the water between herself and 2 other X-Men into oxygen and hydrogen for them all to breathe. They were in a room completely submerged in water along with the rest of the X-Men and bad guys. Nobody was electrocuted owing to Storm's control. Honestly, I don't think attacing Storm's directly is a good way for Polaris to fight Storm. Ororo can challenge her control on this and assault her with wind or lightning or blizzard or what have you. Lorna would be foolish to waste her concentration on this.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Remember the scan where you say Storm broke Mags' shields with her winds...and everyone else says she didn't.
Well the page after that shows Magneto anchoring himself against her winds with his electromagnetism. UXM #150...I'm too lazy to dig up the scan but it's somewhere in the Jean vs Storm thread.

This is not true. The Storm fans agreed with me, the Jean and MAgneto fans did not. Your side was unable to produe a panel that shows Magneto dropping his field before STorm attacked him with the winds. At the beginning of their fight, he had a force-field on. Storm assaulted him with bio-lightning blasts. He absorbed them and told her that she may be his downfall in the fight but her lightning alone won't beat him. She told him she had more weapons at her disposal and that lightning was far from her most powerful. At this point, you and your side claimed that Magneto dropped his force-field which he had up to this point so he could get a good taste of Storm's next attack that she told him was coming and was not electrical prior. LOL! Next panel, Magneto is enveloped in Storm's tornado. Its sucking the air from him and its straining his powers terribly to anchor himself against the winds. I say the winds broke the force-field. Your side is desperate to keep Storm's winds at the 300 mph force level despite the fact she has accomplished numerous feats that places her well beyond it. Heck, she redirected Sienna Blaze's full power. That puts to shame anything Magneto's force-field has ever withstood.

Your side's position on this is totally illogical and desperate. Its an attempt to try and limit Ororo's powers. The lady has the power of a goddess. This has been stated in canon and in an interview with the writer. Stop getting desperate.

Originally posted by Rutog98
There you have it. It even took her time to take out Bobby. He had a whole panel to talk and everything.
She had already taken out the entire wedding party. If she had really wanted to kill them she could have. Bobby was one of the few people she initially spared.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
+=Polaris wins.
i.e.
On panel better reaction speed+On panel instawin=Polaris wins.

Oh yeah, I forgot to address your first scan. Scarlet Witch's powers is renowned for taking a long time to work. She forms her hex spere and all, but she has to concentrate and give it some time for it to have a desired result.

I wish Demigawd was here 馃槓

I'm pretty sure that scan of Wanda is after she learned Chaos Magic, and her powers worked slow when she first joined the Avengers, and then she got much quicker with them.

Just because she's white doesn't mean you can't keep up on current evernts, Rutgog.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Honestly, I just don't believe Polaris can do this. Magneto once manipulated the electrons in someone's mind to force them to tell him the truth. It was a move that took concentration. He had to put his hand on their forehead and everything.

This is something I believe to be beyond even Magneto. Can you show me Polaris doing something like this to someone?

Ah, I think this may be my fault, I must explain something.

Actually, I may have discovered a deep flaw in my own logic here, I will get to that after.

First off, I have no idea if Polaris can do this, X men aren't my forte, especially their lesser used characters. However, the mechanism I am proposing does not really require Polaris to do anything that is "outrageous" for a magnetic controller.

For one brain cell to pass a signal onto the next, it must pass it as an electrical charge. However, that charge is built at several points within each neuron.

please tell me where I need to elaborate, because this is not easy stuff..... Inside of each brain cell there is a -35 mV resting potential. This means that inside of each neuron, there is a VERY small negative charge associate with the potential of that cell to fire.

The reason there is that potential to fire, is because outside of the cell are molecules with very strong positive charges. When the neuron begins to communicate with other neurons, it brings in a whole bunch of these positive molecules. This creates a positive charge that activates a long series of events that resolves in the one neuron passing its signal onto the next.

However, if the charge inside of a neuron was the same as a charge outside of a neuron, it would be impossible for one cell to communicate to the next. Polaris would need only to make all the charges in Storm's brain (or even in select localized areas) equal to prevent her from living.

This is moderately different than TMS which I think Storm may have a better chance of using than Polaris. Nor do I think Polaris should be able to do what Magneto did in your post. That is insane. I would question that claim in the same way I would question Storm making clothing out of electron changing. That could be up there as one of Magneto's best feats ever imho.

Now, the big problem with this. One of the issues I had with Storm using TMS was the fact that it really isn't common knowledge. Come to think of it, this might be beyond what Polaris knows about the brain as well. After writing out all that, it becomes more clear to me that this isn't common knowledge, and that Polaris is probably not an expert on neurology.

I will give you this, without her one move KO's, I don't think Polaris is going to take the majority.