Originally posted by Rutog98
she has been able to create clothing out of thin air by manipulating electrons (this stunt alone puts her WAY beyond Lorna) and more.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Man, that only happened once. I don't think you can count it. It's like people bringing up Hulk redirecting energy with his hands, Juggernaut firing magic bolts, or Magneto making a wormhole because they did it once.
Hulk's done it at least four times that I can think of. 馃槢
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
I'm pretty sure that scan of Wanda is after she learned Chaos Magic, and her powers worked slow when she first joined the Avengers, and then she got much quicker with them.Just because she's white doesn't mean you can't keep up on current evernts, Rutgog.
What does SW being white have to do with it? Keep your racist comments to yourself you pig. Are you against Storm because she's a black character and would rather have white females stronger? Personally, I don't reason like this, but I think your completely baseless accusation. The fact that you mention race makes me feel that you are projecting your own issues off on me. I don't care what color the character is, give them their due. Many on these boards don't like to do this for Storm. Good thing I'm here and I know know my Storm history so I can defend my case very well. Get off it you sick sadist.
Regardless of that, can you prove that SW can work her powers faster than Storm? There are plenty of issues which shows Storm's powers working faster than other characters like Mastermind, Jean, Nightcralwer, Saruon, Cyclops, etc.
Originally posted by Rutog98
What does SW being white have to do with it? Keep your racist comments to yourself you pig. Are you against Storm because she's a black character and would rather have white females stronger? The fact that you mention race makes me feel that you are projecting your own issues off on me. Get off it you sick sadist.
I'd look at that probably more as backlash to Hudlin writing the character atm.
Howard is good people, lets not make this at all about race (I agree his comment was a little obtuse).
Originally posted by Rutog98
This is not true. The Storm fans agreed with me, the Jean and MAgneto fans did not. Your side was unable to produe a panel that shows Magneto dropping his field before STorm attacked him with the winds. At the beginning of their fight, he had a force-field on. Storm assaulted him with bio-lightning blasts. He absorbed them and told her that she may be his downfall in the fight but her lightning alone won't beat him. She told him she had more weapons at her disposal and that lightning was far from her most powerful. At this point, you and your side claimed that Magneto dropped his force-field which he had up to this point so he could get a good taste of Storm's next attack that she told him was coming and was not electrical prior. LOL! Next panel, Magneto is enveloped in Storm's tornado. Its sucking the air from him and its straining his powers terribly to anchor himself against the winds. I say the winds broke the force-field. Your side is desperate to keep Storm's winds at the 300 mph force level despite the fact she has accomplished numerous feats that places her well beyond it. Heck, she redirected Sienna Blaze's full power. That puts to shame anything Magneto's force-field has ever withstood.Your side's position on this is totally illogical and desperate. Its an attempt to try and limit Ororo's powers. The lady has the power of a goddess. This has been stated in canon and in an interview with the writer. Stop getting desperate.
Not all the Storm fans agreed with you..IRRC Just you, WG and Shiv. Secondly I'm not a Jean fan. Thirdly the winds did not break his forcefield. He broke the bubble when he stuck his hands out of it to absorb Storms lightning.
Calling someone desperate in a debate only highlights your side of things.
Originally posted by Rutog98
What does SW being white have to do with it? Keep your racist comments to yourself you pig.
Why am I a pig? Because I'm white? Pot and kettle, kiddo. Don't call a man a racist unless you can back it up, because you just gave me evidence to your own ignorance.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Are you against Storm because she's a black character and would rather have white females stronger? The fact that you mention race makes me feel that you are projecting your own issues off on me. Get off it you sick sadist.
Don't even try to make my character decisions racial. Look at the character in my sig. Beta Ray Bill. Guess what? HE'S BLACK!
Who is my favorite character from Iron Man comics? Jim Rhodes! Black again!
Who was the only reason I read New Avengers? Luke Cage. He's a black man, ya dig?
I did a term paper on my favorite theologist. Martin Luther King Jr. What race was he? Alex, I'll take Black for 200.
Just because I don't like a couple characters who are black doesn't make me a racist. I guarantee I hate some white superheroes more than a do a couple black ones.
I was a huge fan of Panther, especially during Priest's run. Don't bring something to the table you can't back up.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Regardless of that, can you prove that SW can work her powers faster than Storm? There are plenty of issues which shows Storm's powers working faster than other characters like Mastermind, Jean, Nightcralwer, Saruon, Cyclops, etc.
Hmm. Rewriting an entire universe with a thought, blinking people out of one area and into another, making a Kree armada appear out of thin air, and all in the speed of one thought?
I think that the evidence shows itself. Wanda would kick Storm's ass.
By the way, lemme tell you about Dr. King for a moment. He always wanted people to be judged by character, not skin tone.
Judging by your actions, you need to shape up or ship out.
Originally posted by inamilist
Ah, I think this may be my fault, I must explain something.Actually, I may have discovered a deep flaw in my own logic here, I will get to that after.
First off, I have no idea if Polaris can do this, X men aren't my forte, especially their lesser used characters. However, the mechanism I am proposing does not really require Polaris to do anything that is "outrageous" for a magnetic controller.
For one brain cell to pass a signal onto the next, it must pass it as an electrical charge. However, that charge is built at several points within each neuron.
please tell me where I need to elaborate, because this is not easy stuff..... Inside of each brain cell there is a -35 mV resting potential. This means that inside of each neuron, there is a VERY small negative charge associate with the potential of that cell to fire.
The reason there is that potential to fire, is because outside of the cell are molecules with very strong positive charges. When the neuron begins to communicate with other neurons, it brings in a whole bunch of these positive molecules. This creates a positive charge that activates a long series of events that resolves in the one neuron passing its signal onto the next.
However, if the charge inside of a neuron was the same as a charge outside of a neuron, it would be impossible for one cell to communicate to the next. Polaris would need only to make all the charges in Storm's brain (or even in select localized areas) equal to prevent her from living.
This is moderately different than TMS which I think Storm may have a better chance of using than Polaris. Nor do I think Polaris should be able to do what Magneto did in your post. That is insane. I would question that claim in the same way I would question Storm making clothing out of electron changing. That could be up there as one of Magneto's best feats ever imho.
Now, the big problem with this. One of the issues I had with Storm using TMS was the fact that it really isn't common knowledge. Come to think of it, this might be beyond what Polaris knows about the brain as well. After writing out all that, it becomes more clear to me that this isn't common knowledge, and that Polaris is probably not an expert on neurology.
I will give you this, without her one move KO's, I don't think Polaris is going to take the majority.
This is a very interesting post. I would like it if you elaborated on it. However, for Storm to be able to summon/generate lightning, she would have to be controlling those charges as well. To be able to control the lightning, Ororo would have to be able to control EM fields and those charges as part of the bargain. Polaris's has collapsed from creating EMP waves that just cover 50 yards or so. Storm has generated EMP waves a number of times with no problems at all. I really think Polaris is greatly outmatched in this fight. Do you really think Polaris could do this more realistically than Ororo?
In regards to Storm creating the clothes out of thin air, for her to generate an electrolysis field in a room field will water with the x-Men and bad guys in the water with her and not electrocute anyone really speaks volumes to me. If she can control subatomic particles that well, I don't have a problem with her creating clothes out of thin air. I think its within her abilities as a weather witch (though its been stated that she can see the universe as patterns of energy and forces and bend them to her will). Personally, there is no reason why her power should stop short of matter manipulation.
Originally posted by inamilist
I'd look at that probably more as backlash to Hudlin writing the character atm.Howard is good people, lets not make this at all about race (I agree his comment was a little obtuse).
Huldin did not write the issues I'm using though. These were other writers who gave Storm these huge power levels. Anyway, I agree with the general spirit of your post about just getting past this.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Why am I a pig? Because I'm white? Pot and kettle, kiddo. Don't call a man a racist unless you can back it up, because you just gave me evidence to your own ignorance.Don't even try to make my character decisions racial. Look at the character in my sig. Beta Ray Bill. Guess what? HE'S BLACK!
Who is my favorite character from Iron Man comics? Jim Rhodes! Black again!
Who was the only reason I read New Avengers? Luke Cage. He's a black man, ya dig?
I did a term paper on my favorite theologist. Martin Luther King Jr. What race was he? Alex, I'll take Black for 200.Just because I don't like a couple characters who are black doesn't make me a racist. I guarantee I hate some white superheroes more than a do a couple black ones.
I was a huge fan of Panther, especially during Priest's run. Don't bring something to the table you can't back up.
Hmm. Rewriting an entire universe with a thought, blinking people out of one area and into another, making a Kree armada appear out of thin air, and all in the speed of one thought?
I think that the evidence shows itself. Wanda would kick Storm's ass.
By the way, lemme tell you about Dr. King for a moment. He always wanted people to be judged by character, not skin tone.
Judging by your actions, you need to shape up or ship out.
I really don't get how Hudlin came into this discussion as he did not write any of the issues/instances I am bringing up. It came across to me that you were against Storm because she was a black character since you brought up race and the current writer of the character up in a discussion that had nothing to do with him or any issues that he's written.
The thread was going on fine until you brought this up. I'm reporting you. This thread was a lot of fun until someone like you comes along and sucks all of the enjoyment out of it. Inanimalist has left and all. I was really enjoying the discussion and felt like I could learn something about these character's powers. Shame on you.
Originally posted by Rutog98
I really don't get how Hudlin came into this discussion as he did not write any of the issues/instances I am bringing up. It came across to me that you were against Storm because she was a black character since you brought up race and the current writer of the character up in a discussion that had nothing to do with him or any issues that he's written.
I brought up Hudlin because he's going to make his favorite female more mary-sueish by making her an Omega mutant, when there is evidence that she is not. Hell, it was even stated not a year prior that she has peaked out.
Stop making racial assumptions, because doing so is racist in itself. You're assuming that because I'm a white man, I hate black characters, when it's been proven otherwise.
Originally posted by Rutog98
The thread was going on fine until you brought this up. I'm reporting you. This thread was a lot of fun until someone like you comes along and sucks all of the enjoyment out of it. Inanimalist has left and all. I was really enjoying the discussion and felt like I could learn something about these character's powers. Shame on you.
You know what? Don't claim to be me. I didn't come into this thread with any malcontent. It's called sarcasm. You're gonna get a lot of it. Welcome to the internet.
The only person here that deserves to be reported is you.
Why?
First of all, calling me a pig. Racist term for a white male.
Second of all, you're making accusations of racism that you obviously cannot back up.
Third, you're so full of ignorance and hate toward white people that you'll jump down their throat at the first chance you get, which is evidenced by your previous posts aimed at me.
So don't harp at me about race, or anything of the sort, because you've already been proven wrong. You have been reported for racism. Have a nice day.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
I brought up Hudlin because he's going to make his favorite female more mary-sueish by making her an Omega mutant, when there is evidence that she is not. Hell, it was even stated not a year prior that she has peaked out.Stop making racial assumptions, because doing so is racist in itself. You're assuming that because I'm a white man, I hate black characters, when it's been proven otherwise.
You know what? Don't claim to be me. I didn't come into this thread with any malcontent. It's called sarcasm. You're gonna get a lot of it. Welcome to the internet.
The only person here that deserves to be reported is you.
Why?
First of all, calling me a pig. Racist term for a white male.
Second of all, you're making accusations of racism that you obviously cannot back up.
Third, you're so full of ignorance and hate toward white people that you'll jump down their throat at the first chance you get, which is evidenced by your previous posts aimed at me.
So don't harp at me about race, or anything of the sort, because you've already been proven wrong. You have been reported for racism. Have a nice day.
You're the first person on this board I've ever had a problem with. True, I do disagree with many others about characters. Sometimes people get very passionate about their character/position and insults do get exchanged between posters on here, but you've gone way too far. I can't believe you brought up race. This was the furthest thing from my mind when I got into this debate as I am sure it was for the rest of the posters who partook in the discussion. You may have single-handedly killed the thread. I'm not going to respond to anymore of your posts.
Oh, and for the record, Storm is an omega mutant. There has been very strong indication of this for many years. Don't try and say that she's burned out before or what have you because characters like Jean and Iceman have burned out doing far lesser stunts. She has the potential to evolve.
Originally posted by Rutog98
What does SW being white have to do with it? Keep your racist comments to yourself you pig. Are you against Storm because she's a black character and would rather have white females stronger? Personally, I don't reason like this, but I think your completely baseless accusation. The fact that you mention race makes me feel that you are projecting your own issues off on me. I don't care what color the character is, give them their due. Many on these boards don't like to do this for Storm. Good thing I'm here and I know know my Storm history so I can defend my case very well. Get off it you sick sadist.Regardless of that, can you prove that SW can work her powers faster than Storm? There are plenty of issues which shows Storm's powers working faster than other characters like Mastermind, Jean, Nightcralwer, Saruon, Cyclops, etc.
Originally posted by Badabing
Wow, somebody is trying to make a controversy where none existed. Maybe if you read and understood other people's posts a bit better your debating would improve. 馃槈
Well, could you explain it to me? What I got from it was he felt I was unaware of SW's progression in her abilities because she's white and that I don't read about it because she's white. That's a very offensive thing to say. If he could have proven that SW's powers work much faster now, then he should have produced an issue and quote that states this. What I brought up with the character had been a long established fact, but he had to go about dissenting unintelligently and insultingly. You are taking his side on this but fail to see what he said was in very bad taste. This goes beyond comic book discussion. Those kinds of things should never be brought up in these kinds of debates.
On a different note, what you are saying about my debating is how I feel about yours and the others who disagree with me on Storm. I believe that I debate very well on here and I am confident that I can make you Storm naysers see the light...eventually. 馃槈
