Silver Samurai vs. Grey Fox

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

That site says REX weighs 505.450 kg not 505,450 kg...

I sincerely doubt the accuracy of the weight from either site.

Ok here is the specs on the M1A1 main battle tank

Designation: M1A1 Abrams
Contractor: Chrysler
Country: United States
Service Date: 1980
Type: Main Battle Tank (MBT)
Accommodation: 4 (Commander, Gunner, Loader and Driver)
Length: 25.9 ft (7.9 m)
Width: 11.9 ft (3.7 m)
Height: 9.5 ft (2.9 m)
Weight: 125,890 lbs (57,154 kg)

PERFORMANCE: ARMAMENT:
Powerplant: Textron Lycoming AGT-1500 gas-turbine; 1,500 bhp at 30,000 rpm.

Max Speed: 41 mph (67 kmh)
Max Range: 300 miles (480 km)
1 x M256 Rheinmetall 120mm Smoothbore gun
1 x M240 7.62mm co-axial machine gun
1 x M2 12.7mm
1 x M240 7.62mm anti-aircraft machinegun

Ok, note that the M1 is 2.9 meters high, 7.9m long, and weights in at about 65 tons, (57,149kg). Its armor is made of 3-5 layers or different types of steel encasing depleted Uranium.

The Rex is 12m tall and 18.9 meters long. It says its armor is classified, but it can be argued that that tank, designed to replace all other tanks, is equipped with the same armor of the Abrams, if not better.

To say this beast weight only 505kg, (the weight of a formula one car) is crazy, this beast weight 550+ tons.

Heck i bet its rail gun weights more then 505kg, and Rail guns are supposed to be mounted on Battleships for the navy.

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
There was no evidence that Fox didn't just turn off his suits extra abilities during that fight. I see no way that Snake could beat him if he was using his full strength.

😕 What for?? It's like saying that Colossus in fight with Gladiator should've turned in his human form.
During the fight Fox was performing things that no ordinary man can do, so no, he was fighting at full potential.
Besides Fox can't just turn OFF his suit.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Was he lifting it or just holding it? Because I recall him holding it in the place, and struggling, in the same style as Spider-Man was holding Daily Bugle...impressive nonetheless.

Spider-Man was holding Daily Bugle but that doesn't make him Class 100+...so I'd just want a specifics on this...🤨

Or do I recall the Spidey incident wrong?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Ok here is the specs on the M1A1 main battle tank

[b]Designation: M1A1 Abrams
Contractor: Chrysler
Country: United States
Service Date: 1980
Type: Main Battle Tank (MBT)
Accommodation: 4 (Commander, Gunner, Loader and Driver)
Length: 25.9 ft (7.9 m)
Width: 11.9 ft (3.7 m)
Height: 9.5 ft (2.9 m)
Weight: 125,890 lbs (57,154 kg)

PERFORMANCE: ARMAMENT:
Powerplant: Textron Lycoming AGT-1500 gas-turbine; 1,500 bhp at 30,000 rpm.

Max Speed: 41 mph (67 kmh)
Max Range: 300 miles (480 km)
1 x M256 Rheinmetall 120mm Smoothbore gun
1 x M240 7.62mm co-axial machine gun
1 x M2 12.7mm
1 x M240 7.62mm anti-aircraft machinegun

Ok, note that the M1 is 2.9 meters high, 7.9m long, and weights in at about 65 tons, (57,149kg). Its armor is made of 3-5 layers or different types of steel encasing depleted Uranium.

The Rex is 12m tall and 18.9 meters long. It says its armor is classified, but it can be argued that that tank, designed to replace all other tanks, is equipped with the same armor of the Abrams, if not better.

To say this beast weight only 505kg, (the weight of a formula one car) is crazy, this beast weight 550+ tons.

Heck i bet its rail gun weights more then 505kg, and Rail guns are supposed to be mounted on Battleships for the navy. [/B]

Rex weighs 557 tons, Fox moved rex leg off him, struggling yes, but he did it, Rex was also pushing down on Fox.

How much more proof does anybody need??????

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Spider-Man was holding Daily Bugle but that doesn't make him Class 100+...so I'd just want a specifics on this...🤨

Or do I recall the Spidey incident wrong?

He wasn't holding bugle, he was only supporting one beam and class 10 was obviously enough for that while Fox stopped Rex foot on its way to step on Snake.

Originally posted by Sam Z
And people respect Snake, he beat Fox h2h.
So enough of Snake vs Punisher or Nightwing crap 😎

Pfft. Batman beat a demonized Wonder Woman, Solomon Grundy, Doomsday clones...etc...

Doesn't mean that he is Class 100+ himself.

Snake still hasn't shown anything that would led me believe that he couldn't be beaten by Nightwing or Batman...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Pfft. Batman beat a demonized Wonder Woman, Solomon Grundy, Doomsday clones...etc...

Doesn't mean that he is Class 100+ himself.

Snake still hasn't shown anything that would led me believe that he couldn't be beaten by Nightwing or Batman...

Batman never beat them h2h and Batman is one of the most PISfull characters ever anyway and I never said Snake was class 100 coz he isn't but Fox is and Snake beat him.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Batman never beat them h2h and Batman is one of the most PISfull characters ever anyway and I never said Snake was class 100 coz he isn't but Fox is and Snake beat him.

So when Snake beats a Class 100, it's not PIS, when Batman does, it is...?

I don't think Plot Induced Stupidity appears only in comic books...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So when Snake beats a Class 100, it's not PIS, when Batman does, it is...?

I don't think Plot Induced Stupidity appears only in comic books...

It usualy appears only when two popular characters fight each other in crossovers to show one of them a badass and there are dozens of examples. Snake became popular after first MGS so there were no reason for PIS. He just taugh enough to handle Fox and other very strong and fast characters.

Originally posted by Sam Z
It usualy appears only when two popular characters fight each other in crossovers to show one of them a badass and there are dozens of examples. Snake became popular after first MGS so there were no reason for PIS. He just taugh enough to handle Fox and other very strong and fast characters.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Being tough enough isn't really enough to handle someone who is hundreds of times stronger then you...no, I think a highly trained soldier with mild superhuman powers defeating someone like Gray Fox is either PIS, or Fox wasn't fighting for real...

What do you mean wasn't fighting for real?? Holding back? what for?
Snake is not just taugh soldier. He may not be able to lift a lot of weight but he is still a not ordinarry fast and strong fighter. Remember how he send Liquid flying with an upercought. He flew like 5 feet up and 10 away. And you don't assume that Nightwing hanging with Deathstroke was PIS why this fight is then?
Bats fights with Wonderwome or Supes are PIS because they are million times stronger and faster than him.

Originally posted by Sam Z
What do you mean wasn't fighting for real?? Holding back? what for?
Snake is not just taugh soldier. He may not be able to lift a lot of weight but he is still a not ordinarry fast and strong fighter. Remember how he send Liquid flying with an upercought. He flew like 5 feet up and 10 away. And you don't assume that Nightwing hanging with Deathstroke was PIS why this fight is then?
Bats fights with Wonderwome or Supes are PIS because they are million times stronger and faster than him.

But I do think that Nightwing hanging with Deathstroke is PIS, so is Snake defeating Gray Fox. But, if you are going to use highest showings of Snake, I have the right to use them for Batman/Nightwing/other characters...

And sending someone fly feet is a mild superhuman power in comics...😬

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But I do think that Nightwing hanging with Deathstroke is PIS, so is Snake defeating Gray Fox. But, if you are going to use highest showings of Snake, I have the right to use them for Batman/Nightwing/other characters...

And sending someone fly feet is a mild superhuman power in comics...😬

It didn't seemed to me that you was talking about NW's fight as of PIS before 😕

This is not like "if you use I use". Batman had hundreds issues that show all his powers limits, so comparing to them whenever he does something he usually is not supposed to do it is PIS. But Snake never showed his limit while fighting somebody. The first time he appeared he kicked Fox ass so we must assume that this is how he is.

Look , it's blatantly obvious Fox wasn't using his strength, but more over his skill during the fight. His body was rejecting the exo-skeleton and he was half-mad with pain anyway.

When he send Snake sliding along the room with a kick he was using his strength.

Originally posted by Sam Z
It didn't seemed to me that you was talking about NW's fight as of PIS before 😕

This is not like "if you use I use". Batman had hundreds issues that show all his powers limits, so comparing to them whenever he does something he usually is not supposed to do it is PIS. But Snake never showed his limit while fighting somebody. The first time he appeared he kicked Fox ass so we must assume that this is how he is.

Snake has never showed powerlevel like that in any other fights he's had...

Originally posted by Sam Z
When he send Snake sliding along the room with a kick he was using his strength.

You realize how far the kick would have sent him if he had REALLY used 500ton class force...?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Snake has never showed powerlevel like that in any other fights he's had...

He hadn't any other chance to show it and the only time he did he was like this so we should assume THIS is the way he is.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You realize how far the kick would have sent him if he had REALLY used 500ton class force...?

It looked very convincing. Fox jumped and kicked him, the kick was more coming from up to down and Snake blocked it so he didn't flew away but slided across the room. How many times Hulk punched Wolverine, Logan nenver flew far away.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You realize how far the kick would have sent him if he had REALLY used 500ton class force...?

I don't think Fox has 500 ton class force, as i Said earlier, He just barely moved one leg of rex off him, I think Foxes strength is in the 50~100 class range (just my guess).

From this you could speculate snake, also being an enhanced human, to be able to lift as least a couple of tons. I mean he had to be able to harm Fox right.

Thing is, we will never know, I mean we all know snake is VERY fast, he took down, 5 enhanced soldiers plus Ocelet, and dodged their gun fire, he had to be even faster then boss to beat her (or at least smarter, or maybe more technique in H2H).

Snake hasn't shown any signs of strength, besides beating Fox in H2H combat. Just simply, its not his style to show off his strength, Snake, being a spacial force operative, was taught to get in, and get out, without anyone even knowing he was there, and to kill the enemy if there was no other option.

If he goes in tossing Trees and Oil drums at people, that kinda defeats the purpose of all his training you think???