Yoda and Dooku vs Exar Kun

Perhaps because said chosen one had gone into psycho murderer mode?

Seriously though, if both Yoda and Obi-wan went for Sidious, Anakin would've survived, commanded the loyalty of the new Empire and would become a true power house in the force if he found what Sidious left behind, it was imperative to stop them both

if he did use the technique to strip him of the force than Sidious would have been helpless and yoda would take out his saber and WTF pwn him. If the power didnt work than yoda would have taken out his saber and fought him normally.

This is the same as saying that if i had a machine gun and a sword and my enemy had a sword i would use the machine gun to end the fight quickly. If Yoda did have that machine gun (metaphor) he would have obviously used it rather than risk his life in a fight he was no where near sure he would win. Because he didn't use the gun means he didnt HAVE the gun.

Exar is uber. He had an amulet that can focus his power, he can shoot DBZ style beams of energy, he was amazing with a saber (he created his own style and saber) he beat the greatest jesi in the old republic rather easily, he freezed an entire room of thousands of people, he drained an entire planet of it's power, he pulled a sidious and walked through the greatest planet of jedi in the galaxy, he was chosen by Ragnos to be the next dark lord because of his power and potential, his spiret survived for thousands of years to kill a jedi and pull a huge machine out of a star, and what i find most impressive and very very odd is that, when the army of jedi was landing (the jedi thought it would take an army to defeat him) he said "no even i can take all of these jedi" meaning that he thought he can take down A LOT of jedi, but not that many (at least that is how i interrpeded it).

Maybe he did try and it didn't work.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
if he did use the technique to strip him of the force than Sidious would have been helpless and yoda would take out his saber and WTF pwn him. If the power didnt work than yoda would have taken out his saber and fought him normally.

This is the same as saying that if i had a machine gun and a sword and my enemy had a sword i would use the machine gun to end the fight quickly. If Yoda did have that machine gun (metaphor) he would have obviously used it rather than risk his life in a fight he was no where near sure he would win. Because he didn't use the gun means he didnt HAVE the gun.

Exar is uber. He had an amulet that can focus his power, he can shoot DBZ style beams of energy, he was amazing with a saber (he created his own style and saber) he beat the greatest jesi in the old republic rather easily, he freezed an entire room of thousands of people, he drained an entire planet of it's power, he pulled a sidious and walked through the greatest planet of jedi in the galaxy, he was chosen by Ragnos to be the next dark lord because of his power and potential, his spiret survived for thousands of years to kill a jedi and pull a huge machine out of a star, and what i find most impressive and very very odd is that, when the army of jedi was landing (the jedi thought it would take an army to defeat him) he said "no even i can take all of these jedi" meaning that he thought he can take down A LOT of jedi, but not that many (at least that is how i interrpeded it).

Or maybe Yoda just wanted to kill him and killing helpless human beings is different than killing dark siders.

And yeah, Vodo was the greatest jedi of the old order, SO much proof there...And Exar ran, saying "Not even I can fight all the Jedi at once," Point being? And actually Ragnos said it was because Exar revived the Sith via his research was how he earned the title.

And wow, when did Kun use those blasts ever again on someone who actually mattered? When did Kun drain an entire planet? And he froze thousands of people? Great, Palpatine froze trillions.

And the Jedi thought it'd take an army to defeat Exar? Wow, learn something about tactics. Exar is there...Exar has a big army of Massassi, plus the creatures he's created AND the Krath and possibly Mandalorians, you think they were there for Exar ALONE?

Yeah, that really equates to Exar being uber. Beating Odan Urr who was by definition a spokesman of the Order and not a fighter, and Vodo who didn't even want to fight Exar!

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Or maybe Yoda just wanted to kill him and killing helpless human beings is different than killing dark siders.

And yeah, Vodo was the greatest jedi of the old order, SO much proof there...And Exar ran, saying "Not even I can fight all the Jedi at once," Point being? And actually Ragnos said it was because Exar revived the Sith via his research was how he earned the title.

And wow, when did Kun use those blasts ever again on someone who actually mattered? When did Kun drain an entire planet? And he froze thousands of people? Great, Palpatine froze trillions.

And the Jedi thought it'd take an army to defeat Exar? Wow, learn something about tactics. Exar is there...Exar has a big army of Massassi, plus the creatures he's created AND the Krath and possibly Mandalorians, you think they were there for Exar ALONE?

Yeah, that really equates to Exar being uber. Beating Odan Urr who was by definition a spokesman of the Order and not a fighter, and Vodo who didn't even want to fight Exar!

It even said Vodo is the grandmaster of the jedi.

Ragnos chose him because of his power and potential. He could have easily gone up to a powerful young jedi, took them to Yavin 4 and made them darklord. He used a weak little blast on alema which knocked her unconsious. Kun drained the Massasi. When did palpatine freeze trillions? One jedi apprentice killed 3 or so massasi. Ulic as a padawan owned a mandalore with a huge disadvantege. I am sure the jedi knew that and knew that they two can own mandalorians. Same with the krath. yet they sent out a major army there when half of its size would have been enough.

Someone without the Force is a dark sider? Hmmm...we know Yoda went there just to kill Sidious, we know that the 'blocking' thing is blockable...

And liar! Show me where it said Vodo was TEH GRANDMASTER!

And oooh, sorry, wrong answer: Ragnos even said it was because of Exar the Sith would never die, earning him the title of DLOTS. Palp froze trillions of Coruscant when the Lusankya was hidden, and yeah, Ragnos was gonna appear to someone random when only the amulets summoned him! Ulic as a padawan? He was a SITH LORD when he beat Mandalore, thanks.

And considering the Jedi didn't know Kun's strength and stopping him was paramount, a huge army that he has no hope of winning against is just the ticket. See, that's how war works.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Someone without the Force is a dark sider? Hmmm...we know Yoda went there just to kill Sidious, we know that the 'blocking' thing is blockable...

And liar! Show me where it said Vodo was TEH GRANDMASTER!

And oooh, sorry, wrong answer: Ragnos even said it was because of Exar the Sith would never die, earning him the title of DLOTS. Palp froze trillions of Coruscant when the Lusankya was hidden, and yeah, Ragnos was gonna appear to someone random when only the amulets summoned him! Ulic as a padawan? He was a SITH LORD when he beat Mandalore, thanks.

And considering the Jedi didn't know Kun's strength and stopping him was paramount, a huge army that he has no hope of winning against is just the ticket. See, that's how war works.

you are right. vodo is just a very powerful jedi master.

he didnt freeze them, he used mind tricks to make them forget. there is a big difference.
you are also right on the fact hat yes he was a sith lord.

yes the amulates summoned him but his spirt was still alive. he could have reamerged at anytime and go to any force user. He picked Kun for a reason and it is not because he had no other choice. Kuns army was also pretty small. that is why he had ulic do terrorist attacks rather than wage a full scale war. An army the size of which the jedi sent is MASSIVE overkill. they sent a lot of extra people to kill Kun.

Man I thought it'd been established that Kun was hardly above the PT masters like Yoda or Dooku. I mean seriously, Kun would get destroyed in a fight like this.

who were you?

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
he could kill a person stripped of the force. what you think that after he does that he will just walk away. A dark sider is someone who is evil and does evil things so yea sids will still be a darksider.

you are right. vodo is just a very powerful jedi master.

he didnt freeze them, he used mind tricks to make them forget. there is a big difference.
you are also right on the fact hat yes he was a sith lord.

yes the amulates summoned him but his spirt was still alive. he could have reamerged at anytime and go to any force user. He picked Kun for a reason and it is not because he had no other choice. Kuns army was also pretty small. that is why he had ulic do terrorist attacks rather than wage a full scale war. An army the size of which the jedi sent is MASSIVE overkill. they sent a lot of extra people to kill Kun.

You're right, he could kill a helpless old man, thus comitting an evil act, falling to the dark side and becoming a worse threat than the one he sought to destroy, stupid idea, moving on.

And no, Sidious froze them, then erased their minds, there's a difference.

Spirits by DEFINITION cannot die, what's your point? Ragnos didn't decide to just travel, they summoned him, and he SAID he picked Kun because of him the Sith'd never die...and Ulic WENT AGAINST Kun's express wishes for those terrorist attacks.

And once more: The Jedi had no clue of Kun's strength...there were the Krath, Mandos, Massassi...they sent everything they had as a massive overkill and that's a VERY logical step in warfare

Originally posted by Lightsnake
You're right, he could kill a helpless old man, thus comitting an evil act, falling to the dark side and becoming a worse threat than the one he sought to destroy, stupid idea, moving on.

And no, Sidious froze them, then erased their minds, there's a difference.

Spirits by DEFINITION cannot die, what's your point? Ragnos didn't decide to just travel, they summoned him, and he SAID he picked Kun because of him the Sith'd never die...and Ulic WENT AGAINST Kun's express wishes for those terrorist attacks.

And once more: The Jedi had no clue of Kun's strength...there were the Krath, Mandos, Massassi...they sent everything they had as a massive overkill and that's a VERY logical step in warfare

Yeah, Yoda thinks otherwise, it's why he's so careful. You commit an act of darkness, it stays with you and Yoda KNOWS that. Kill an evil person is one thing, killing a helpless evil person is QUITE another.

Direct freeze source: DS sourcebook....and yes, Ulic knew what about Kun's army exactly? When you know where the enemy is, you send EVERYTHING after him, you made sure he has no chance, that is logic

ulic knew EVERYTHING about Kuns army. he was the second in cammand! how is killin a helpless evil person different from killing a normal one? they are still evil and still of the darkside. Give me the exact quote/s

Well in response to that point, I kind of have a theory that the temptation of the dark side is stronger to those who are incredibly strong in the force, like Yoda.

no it is just because the sith always pick them.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
how is killin a helpless evil person different from killing a normal one? they are still evil and still of the darkside. Give me the exact quote/s

Kun without his amulet blasts basically just becomes a white Mace Windu with a pony tail.

The team pwn.