Wolverine's healing factor in the movies really sucked compared to what it's like in the comic. Use your heads. Comic Wolverine wouldn't have been knocked out by Sabretooth in X1, he wouldn't have been knocked out by getting thrown into the wall by Jean or chucked into a tree by Magneto IN X3. Wolverine gets put down by a single bullet in X2. In the comics he takes thousands of high calibur bullets and doesn't even blink.
I give Movie Wolverine credit for not getting knocked out by Juggernaut and surviving Phoenix's attempts to vaporize him, but let's face it, Phoenix and Juggernaut in the movie were nowhere near as powerful as they are in the comics. These feats still only rank a 2 out of 10 compaqred to the *hit Comic Wolverine shrugs off.
Originally posted by grey foxAccording to Hugh Jackman Wolverine takes out 50 mutants at the brotherhood's campsight in the woods. The fight got edited down to the very end, but it should be on the DVD. Wolverine also kills like 20 mutants at Liberty Island and kills Phoenix.
BatmanWolverine showed minimal fighting skill , preferring to scream , run and slash (In that order) .
Batman on the other hand was taking out Ninjas.
Killing 20 superpowered beings in 2 minutes is a lot more impressive than beating a handfull of human ninjas any day of the week. Batman didn't even beat most of the ninjas in that movie, he blew up their temple.
Movie Batman would die against Movie Wolverine almost as fast as Comic Batman would die against Comic Wolverine. Movie Wolverine would just do it less gracefully.
Riceroost, you are overrating those weak mutants that attacked Wolverine, who by the way, completely sucked.
I think Batman is going to win this way. I say this because he has memory cloth. He'll stick to the shadows, there's nothing Wolverine can do to hurt a hovering Batman who pansies out. After awhile, the batmobile will come and shoot enough missiles to blow up a bridge- or a Wolverine. That's pretty much how it ends. Seriously, with no Colossus, how is Logan going to hurt Batman if the Dark Knight is on higher ground?
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceYou dont have any clue what the powers of those mutants Wolverine killed were. He did withstand an assault from and kill PHOENIX who is a class 5, the most powerful mutant in the movie. That's all that need be said here.
Riceroost, you are overrating those weak mutants that attacked Wolverine, who by the way, completely sucked.
Even fairly low level super powers are going to make someone more formidable than any ninja. Hell I've taken martial arts for 16 years and ninjitsu for 10 years and I still have trouble against untrained brawlers who are stronger or faster than I am.
Look at Batman before Crisis. He was incredibly skilled, but still had trouble against very large human opponents. In my opinion this was a much more realistic, interesting Batman than the current incarnation anyday. Maybe not as bad-ass, but a whole lot more believable than todays "I know 127 styles" Batman.
The mystique of the ninja in comics today is rediculously screwed up. Wolverine can slaughter 1000 of them in 2 minutes, yet one can take him out in 2 moves. Ninjas are just human people. And people aren't *hit compared to super powered people.
A superpowered ninja would be scary as hell.....yet Wolverine (Superhuman with Ninja training) is always looked down upon. Funny no?
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceYou fail to grasp that Batman can't hover with memory cloth. He can glide, which invlolves floating to a lower altitude, where Wolverine would kill him after one swipe.
I think Batman is going to win this way. I say this because he has memory cloth. He'll stick to the shadows, there's nothing Wolverine can do to hurt a hovering Batman who pansies out. After awhile, the batmobile will come and shoot enough missiles to blow up a bridge- or a Wolverine. That's pretty much how it ends. Seriously, with no Colossus, how is Logan going to hurt Batman if the Dark Knight is on higher ground?
Batman being above Wolverine does not win him a fight any day of the week. It just means he's temporarily out of reach. And quickly rectified.
Batman shouldn't be able to use the car in this fight, but even if he does it wont save him. Wolverine got soccer kicked by Juggernaut, punched in the face 10 times by Juggernaut, and thrown through a house by Juggernaut. If that didn't put him down, neither will the fugly looking Tumbler. If the Tumbler does hit Wolverine he will take a wheel off when he goes down, rendering the car useless.
And if Batman does get the car, Wolverine gets the Blackbird.
X-Jet beats Tumbler.
Wolverine would win...and here's why:
1) Batman can't hurt him.
2)Wolverine only needs to hit him once.
Batman's absolute best showing would be like Mystique vs. Wolverine from X1. (Which is still impossible because Batman doesn't have enhanced speed and super agility) Smacks Wolverine around for a while and winds up getting gutted at the end.
well, as far as watching all the xmen movies and batman movies, i would have to conclude that movie batman is no match for movie wolverine because first and foremost, anyone that can withstand being disintegrated from an omega level 5 mutant, would be very much hard or near impossible to beat or take down easily, i have seen many comments on this trend about how wolverine's healing factor is way too fast than comic wolverine. well i would say that its just about the same as the comic wolverine depending on the writers, so comic writers portray wolverine has meta-human regenerative ( able to regenerate organs tissues, brain matters etc) while other writers just give him superhuman regenerative.
now why i chose movie wolverine over movie batman was because he can withstand far more damage than some memory gloves and ninja explosives, even the batman movie did not show much of a fighting skill compared to wolverine, daredevil, elecktra and blade, everything was too dark so i would say that is not consistent with the way wolverine took on juggernaut, ladydeath strike, saber tooth, mystique, and many more brotherhood of evil mutant and William stryker's soldiers.
clearly speaking wolverine outruns batman in every aspect, is it strength, seed, stamina, fighting skills, agility and most of all durability. don't get me wrong guys i do like batman but he is just a homosapian in a memory suit full a gadgets and ninja bombs, try comparing that to a regenerative/homosuperiour with destructible adamantium claws and bones. you can't just beat that.
Originally posted by riceroost
Even fairly low level super powers are going to make someone more formidable than any ninja. Hell I've taken martial arts for 16 years and ninjitsu for 10 years and I still have trouble against untrained brawlers who are stronger or faster than I am.
So does that mean you have 26 years martial arts experience now! 😱
[QUOTE=6587678]Originally posted by riceroost
You dont have any clue what the powers of those mutants Wolverine killed were. He did withstand an assault from and kill PHOENIX who is a class 5, the most powerful mutant in the movie. That's all that need be said here.
Dude. They charged at him, stopped, and let Logan slice them. That's nothing. The only guy who seemed to have any useful power was the guy who could regenerate, and he lost, via kick to the shins. Those guys were weak as hell.
Even fairly low level super powers are going to make someone more formidable than any ninja. Hell I've taken martial arts for 16 years and ninjitsu for 10 years and I still have trouble against untrained brawlers who are stronger or faster than I am.
But that's just you.
Look at Batman before Crisis. He was incredibly skilled, but still had trouble against very large human opponents. In my opinion this was a much more realistic, interesting Batman than the current incarnation anyday. Maybe not as bad-ass, but a whole lot more believable than todays "I know 127 styles" Batman.
It's feasible that post-Batman is believable, if you get the idea that Batman isn't someone like you or me. Nor was Einstein. He's a unique human being. Some people can do things you wouldn't believe. Some people in the world can stop their heart. Others, have such perfect memory that they can recall an entire conversation in 10 to 50 years past, and every other conversation they've ever had.
You fail to grasp that Batman can't hover with memory cloth. He can glide, which invlolves floating to a lower altitude, where Wolverine would kill him after one swipe.
He's not going to go low enough for Wolverine to even touch him. Remember when he "glided" high up in the sky for all those baddies to see? Unless Wolverine's got a trampoline, he's not going to do anything.
Batman being above Wolverine does not win him a fight any day of the week. It just means he's temporarily out of reach. And quickly rectified.
Temporarily is a long time. I didn't say he automatically wins, but that he has a better chance to win.
Batman shouldn't be able to use the car in this fight, but even if he does it wont save him. Wolverine got soccer kicked by Juggernaut, punched in the face 10 times by Juggernaut, and thrown through a house by Juggernaut.
The Juggernaut didn't have missiles. Nor the common sense to simply step on Logan.
If that didn't put him down, neither will the fugly looking Tumbler.
Why would it matter if the Tumbler is "fugly?" That's such a gay word by the way, don't let it be part of your lexicon.
If the Tumbler does hit Wolverine he will take a wheel off when he goes down, rendering the car useless.
Doubt it. That car can survive some pretty fantastic leaps and leaves explosive jags. Wolverine wil be knocked out in the first ramming. Don't believe me? Watch the first X-Men where Logan gets into a car crash. Instant K.O.
And if Batman does get the car, Wolverine gets the Blackbird.
Wolverine doesn't own the blackbird, the Wolverine in the movies can't even PILOT IT. He'd f'ing crash into the X Mansion.
X-Jet beats Tumbler.
That thing doesn't even have any weapons. Oh wait, it has infrared vision. My bad.
Wolverine would win...and here's why:
1) Batman can't hurt him.
Disagree, he gets knocked out from being flung out of a car. He can get knocked out from being lifted from Magneto and hurled into a tree. He can get knocked out with a bullet to the head- I wonder what a missile from the batmobile will do to him. Sabretooth knocked him out by flinging him across the snow.
2)Wolverine only needs to hit him once.
Well he's not going to do that because Batman will be off the ground. And Wolverine's not fast enough to kill Batman on his FIRST TRY. He couldn't even do that except with the crappy level 1 mutants.
Batman's absolute best showing would be like Mystique vs. Wolverine from X1. (Which is still impossible because Batman doesn't have enhanced speed and super agility) Smacks Wolverine around for a while and winds up getting gutted at the end.
Psh. All Bats needs to do get up, drop bombs, and wait for the Tumbler to knock out Logan. And the ultrasonic bat thing on his boot. That's gotta be annoying for Logan, especially since he has SUPER HEARING.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceDUDE What movie were you watching? Wolverine was getting rushed by a wave of mutants. That's what you were supposed to take from the movie. We aren't supposed to know what most of those mutants powers were because Wolverine just kills them before they can use their powers. I repeat: you dont get to make the distinction that they were weak, since we never saw their powers. Everyone is weak against getting stabbed by adamantium claws. Even Phoenix. Even 1 moderately powered mutant would be big trouble for Batman.
Dude. They charged at him, stopped, and let Logan slice them. That's nothing. The only guy who seemed to have any useful power was the guy who could regenerate, and he lost, via kick to the shins. Those guys were weak as hell.
And Wolverine took that guy out with a kick to the balls, not the shins.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceBatman is a very gifted man, but it is impossible for a man to learn 127 matial arts styles. It takes years to master even a single style. Even the greatest martial artists, the best hand to hand fighters on the planet take years to master a single style. No one could master that many styles. It's unrealistic, even by comic book standards. And considering Batman's training trips weren't completely devoted to fighting it's even more unrealistic that he knows that many styles. Pre-Crisis Batman was a better character. He could defeat almost anyone on an even playing field, but if Richard Dragon came along Batman could not beat him. Why? Batman focuses on fighting and 5 or 6 other skills like escape artistry, and detective skills. Richard Dragon devotes almost all his time to 1 thing, fighting, therefor Batman couldn't beat him. Again Batman had a very hard time against opponents that were much larger than him. Even the greatest fighters in the world have to fight in a certain weight class, because they can't contend for long against people who are larger than them.
It's feasible that post-Batman is believable, if you get the idea that Batman isn't someone like you or me. Nor was Einstein. He's a unique human being. Some people can do things you wouldn't believe. Some people in the world can stop their heart. Others, have such perfect memory that they can recall an entire conversation in 10 to 50 years past, and every other conversation they've ever had.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceYou act as if Batman is going to beat Wolverine from the air. He's not.
He's not going to go low enough for Wolverine to even touch him. Remember when he "glided" high up in the sky for all those baddies to see? Unless Wolverine's got a trampoline, he's not going to do anything.
Batman is also not going to be able to see where Wolverine is the whole time he's gliding around. This gives Wolverine the opportunity to use stealth. Considering Wolverine's enhanced senses Batman is at a huge advantage if that happens.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceGliding does not a victory make. You can't use a glider to win a fight. You can use it to survive a fall, but once Wolverine rips the cape to shreds he aint gliding on anything.
Temporarily is a long time. I didn't say he automatically wins, but that he has a better chance to win.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceJuggeraut and Phoenix are far more deadly than any missile. Honestly.
The Juggernaut didn't have missiles. Nor the common sense to simply step on Logan.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceHow do you know "fugly" is a GAY word? Are you gay? That remark comes across as being very discriminatory. Fugly simply means that the car is worse than ugly. Watch what you say.
Why would it matter if the Tumbler is "fugly?" That's such a gay word by the way, don't let it be part of your lexicon.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceThe car may survive jumps, but it will not stand up to CLAWS THAT CUT THROUGH ANYTHING. The car is not made out of Promethium.
Doubt it. That car can survive some pretty fantastic leaps and leaves explosive jags. Wolverine wil be knocked out in the first ramming. Don't believe me? Watch the first X-Men where Logan gets into a car crash. Instant K.O.
And you obviously dont know what you're talking about here. The car crash in X1 did not knock out Wolverine. He got right back up and went back to check on Rogue.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceYou dont know if Wolverine can pilot the jet or not so you dont get to make that distinction. He can drive a motorcycle that travels at superspeed, why not a jet? Hell, Rogue flew the jet in X2 and she's a student with absolutely no training.
Wolverine doesn't own the blackbird, the Wolverine in the movies can't even PILOT IT. He'd f'ing crash into the X Mansion.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceOnce again, you don't know if the jet has any weapons. The only time they would have needed weapons Storm and Jean did what no weapon could do anyway. Why use the jet's weapons when you a tornado making person flying the jet? Considering it's a top of the line stealth jet it's safe to assume it has armaments.
That thing doesn't even have any weapons. Oh wait, it has infrared vision. My bad.
Wolverine could just land on the car. Batman can't do *hit about that.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceOnce again, Wolverine never got knocked out by a car wreck. Check the movie. He got KOed by a man with Super Strength using a tree like a friggin baseball bat.
Disagree, he gets knocked out from being flung out of a car. He can get knocked out from being lifted from Magneto and hurled into a tree. He can get knocked out with a bullet to the head- I wonder what a missile from the batmobile will do to him. Sabretooth knocked him out by flinging him across the snow.
Magneto sent Wolverine hurtling through a forest at a very high speed USING THE EARTH'S MAGNETIC FIELD. Nothing Batman has can compare to Magneto's power.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceBatman does all his hand to hand fighting on the ground. He's not going to glide around in a fight. And Wolverine is going to kill Batman with ione hit. The body armor isn't stopping adamantium claws.
Well he's not going to do that because Batman will be off the ground. And Wolverine's not fast enough to kill Batman on his FIRST TRY. He couldn't even do that except with the crappy level 1 mutants.
Level one mutants are probably just as big a threat as Batman in a hand to hand fight.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilencePsh. All Wolverine has to do is hit Batman once. All Batman haas to do is run like hell, glide around, find an explosive big enough to take out Logan(Who can survive an assault by the god damned PHOENIX, manage to hit Wolverine with it, then wait for his car to get there, then hope to god Wolverine hasn't gotten back up, then somehow use the car to run over a man with unbreakable bones. Wow, much easier for Batman to win than Wolverine.
Psh. All Bats needs to do get up, drop bombs, and wait for the Tumbler to knock out Logan. And the ultrasonic bat thing on his boot. That's gotta be annoying for Logan, especially since he has SUPER HEARING.
Wolverine is not going to get knocked out by anything Batman carries on him. Batman doesn't use the Tumbler in hand to hand fights - stop talking about it. Sonics may hurt Wolverine, but considering Siren's scream couldn't KO him in X2 sonics wont safe Batman here, especialy since Wolverine's healing factor seems to have gotten a big boost in X3.
Stop using the Tumbler and the gliding in your argument.
Did he use either when he fought any ninja's? No.
Did he use either to fight Ra's? No.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Batman fights superman with a kryptonite ring on. He said in the Hush comic that if he hit one more time he would shatter every bone in his hand. Hitting Superman>>>>>>>>>Hitting Logan
Sabretooth's hand>>>>>>>>>Batman's hand.