Originally posted by NoFate007
Oh and I forgot to add on mine that in X5, Apocalypse would create his horsemen, including changing Angel into Archangel.
I like your ideas more and more NoFate. Apocalypse would be a worthy enough villain to make up for another trilogy. And sorry, I'm not to familiar with this particular subject, but in the comics what does Magneto think of Apocalypse?
As far as I know, Magneto isn't particularly fond of Apocalypse. He doesn't team up with him, and teams up with the X-Men to take him out, but I'm sure at some point they've teamed up since they always make the bad guys do that lol.
Another little idea that I would do is have more little cameos by people. Have like a scene where say, Gambit is at a bar talking to someone or meeting someone or whatever, and the singer is actually Dazzler or something. You know, little stuff like that.
I think there's a problem on both spectrums. People that don't read the comics at all think things like "Juggernaut sucks, he got beaten by a wall". On the other hand, people that are die-hard fans of the oldest comics out there are the ones that can't accept change into modern pace. These are the people that think Dr. Octopus looked horrible in Spider-Man 2 because of the fact that he wasn't wearing a ridiculous green and yellow jumpsuit, or that Brainiac on Smallville is terrible because he's not a green alien in purple women's clothing.
Some movies are good, some movies are bad. We've seen with Batman Begins that if they stay true to the source material but update it, it can work very well, but then we've seen that you can't change them too drastically or you're just retarded (cough*Catwoman*cough).
Originally posted by NoFate007
These are the people that think Dr. Octopus looked horrible in Spider-Man 2 because of the fact that he wasn't wearing a ridiculous green and yellow jumpsuit, or that Brainiac on Smallville is terrible because he's not a green alien in purple women's clothing.
There's a difference between a character being true to itself but looking slightly different, and it being a completely different character.
Doc Ock was great, because his character was spot-on. Juggernaut was shit because he looked like Avalanche and about as imposing as Richard Simmons. They changed Brainiac's story to the point that it's not the same guy really, there's a difference.
His character IS to be an imposing, impossibly sized mountain of intimidation. Personally I've never been a Juggernaut fan anyway, but the X3 Juggernaut was pathetic.
-AC
That's what I'm saying though. X3 didn't portray Juggernaut as powerfully as he should've been. The people that don't read the comics are going to assume that he's weaker than he's been for all these years. However, there are people that are so stuck in the comics that they can't even accept little differences. Have you ever heard of the people that were complaining about Tobey Maguire's eye color in Spider-Man? lol
Originally posted by NoFate007
However, there are people that are so stuck in the comics that they can't even accept little differences. Have you ever heard of the people that were complaining about Tobey Maguire's eye color in Spider-Man? lol
Are you serious NoFate, are there actually people out there complaining about his eye color. If you think that's bad, you should also check out Aintitcool's blogs. There were people there that wanted everything, and I mean everything, related to Juggernaut and the Phoenix incorporated into the movie in order to properly explain how they came into the movie. I'm talking from the Gem of Cyttorak to the Shi'ar and so on, lol.
I think after introducing both the cure for mutants, Moira and Angel. The logical choice should be Apocalypse and his 4 horseman including Angel turned into Archangel somehow.
Is there even gonna be a part 4? Thought I heard this was the last one.
Btw, couldn't help but overhear the Juggernaut argument.馃槃 I remember staring a thread about this on another board about who should play him long before the movie came out. It was a mixed bag of choices but the predominant choices were wrestler or CGI, although I think I remember someone specifically mentioning Vinnie Jones.
Juggernaut is my favorite from the x-men series and I was really hoping that they would portray him really well on screen, well I was disappointed and I echo the same sentiments of others here. I was really hoping they portrayed him as a more menacing and imposing force as well as touch on the relationship between him and Xavier. For those who felt Vinnie Jones was a good choice due to the fact that they needed someone who could act, how many lines did he have in the whole movie? I only remember 3. 'Are you gonna let me out of here, I gotta pee!', 'How are we suppose to get across? I don't swim', and my favorite 'Don't you know who I am, I'm the Juggernaut *****!' 馃槅 I gotta admit the few lines he had were funny and delivered well but come one, seriously anyone could have said those lines.
All that being said he still could've been a good choice but they needed to have bulked him up more through CGI or the opposite of what they did with the Hobbits in LOTR. I remember one scene where he stands next to Magneto and they're almost the same in height. The suit was a joke and either laziness or budget constraints on the part of the director or the production company. I love the way he was recruited by Magneto so easily too. Sure I'm in. Just like that , no questions asked.
Anyway, I still loved seeing one of my favorite comic book characters portrayed on the big screen albeit not how I would've wanted it but it was still really cool and enjoyable to see nonetheless. The scene with him barreling through everyone and busting down walls really 馃 hard. Go Juggs! Btw,
Spoiler:
Do we know what happens to him in the end? I didn't see him die like those other bad mutants. Is it possible he's still alive too?
Perfect post RZA. Objective and yet not berating. =)
Originally posted by RZA
The scene with him barreling through everyone and busting down walls really 馃 hard. Go Juggs!
Wasn't that awesome RZA? Damn that looked so sweet. That was one scene I looked forward to ever since seeing it from the trailers. And I don't know about you, but in my theater the sound was wtf turned up loud, so when he smashed into those walls...it was so sweet.
Originally posted by RZA
^^Yeah that really was sweet! I remember getting really excited and almost jumping out my chair!Btw, I like your Home Movies sig, whatever happened to that series?
Thanks RZA. Walter and Perry were two of my favorite characters from the show. I had heard that it was unfortunately canceled in 2004. I don't know if it's still running in reruns on CN since I no longer have cable, but of course the DVD's of the four seasons are out.
Originally posted by systemshock2
Are you serious NoFate, are there actually people out there complaining about his eye color. If you think that's bad, you should also check out Aintitcool's blogs. There were people there that wanted everything, and I mean everything, related to Juggernaut and the Phoenix incorporated into the movie in order to properly explain how they came into the movie. I'm talking from the Gem of Cyttorak to the Shi'ar and so on, lol.
Totally serious. People at one point were genuinely PISSED that the eye color was off. It was ridiculous. They were like "does it really cost that much to change it with CGI?" The only one of these types of things that I actually agree with is that Daniel Craig is blonde in Casino Royale. That is just laziness I think. It costs how much for a bottle of hair dye? 10 bucks tops? lol. I think a million+ budget can afford 10 bucks. But yeah, I've ran into a couple people that were upset that Cyttorak wasn't in X3. I guess these people would throw out all realism 100% and have Magneto wear purple boxers over red underarmor lol.
Apocalypse. The only problem I have is how they translate the character himself. Apocalypse is generally unstoppable, his power levels are something none of the X-Men could hope to touch, but it's also true that he hasn't gotten the grasp of every ability he has, which could be the "reason" the X-Men, inferior as they are, manage to topple him in a film...
Otherwise, I'm just not buying it. In the comics, he made Magneto look like a school girl.
Originally posted by Sludge
Apocalypse. The only problem I have is how they translate the character himself. Apocalypse is generally unstoppable, his power levels are something none of the X-Men could hope to touch, but it's also true that he hasn't gotten the grasp of every ability he has, which could be the "reason" the X-Men, inferior as they are, manage to topple him in a film...Otherwise, I'm just not buying it. In the comics, he made Magneto look like a school girl.
I've noticed that with the Ultimate line of Marvel comics, it's pretty much Marvel's attempt at either modernizing or downsizing the heroes and villains to make them fit into the realism of a movie world. With that in mind, has anyone seen how Apocalypse has been interpreted in the Ultimate line? If so could someone explain it? Maybe that interpretation could work?