I know this probably isn't going to change anyone's opinion, but I think Darth Nihilus would win. He absorbed The Force from everyone on Katarr, a planet inhabited by a race of extremely force-sensitive beings, while he was orbiting in space, so I'm sure that severing and draining 4 guys wouldn't be that much of a problem. The more force energy he absorbs, the more powerful he gets. That would put his raw force power above that of all 4 combined, given he is at the height of his power. Because of his knowledge of the secret dark side technique distant power, which allowed him to increase the range of a force power, in his case, he could reach anywhere in the star system. This is how he drained and killed the inhabitants of an entire planet while remaining far away in the planet's orbit. He could sever the four of them from The Force before they could even see Darth Nihilus. Even if Sidious or Dooku (I'm excluding Yoda and Mace because this is a Dark Side power) knew this power, which I doubt they did, they probably wouldn't have as much range and defiantly not the effect as Nihilus because of their lesser force energy, and not as frequent use of the technique. If Darth Nihilus severed all four from The Force, which he would immediately do, then they wouldn't be able to use any force techniques at all. Go to the Star Wars wiki and look up Force Power to see a full list. They would be reduced to a middle aged man, 2 old men, one really old green alien with lightsabers. Although they are masters with a lightsaber, they rely heavily on force techniques (force speed, force jump, precognition ect.) to give them an edge. Darth Nihilus would still have all these force powers at his disposal, meaning he could finish them off with force lightning, force choke, or pretty much anything he wanted to use. Alternatively if for some reason he decided to use his own lightsaber, he could probably kill them using the force to enhance his reflexes, strength, and predict his opponents moves.
And yes, Darth Nihilus is really a cheap character. The reason he was killed is because he tried to sever and drain the Jedi Exile, who had a power very similar to Darth Nihilus, though much weaker. She unconsciously fed off the death of others to increase her force energy, while Nihilus did the exact same thing, but consiously. So when Nihilus tried to sever and drain her force energy, he failed, leaving him exhausted and an easy kill. It seems like in order to kill him, you would need him attempt to absorb the force from a person with a similar power as his. Seeing how they were the only two who had that ability, any opponent besides her just seems like an easy kill for him.
Sorry for the long message, I just wanted to completely explain my opinion.
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Originally posted by Kogane
I know this probably isn't going to change anyone's opinion, but I think Darth Nihilus would win. He absorbed The Force from everyone on Katarr, a planet inhabited by a race of extremely force-sensitive beings, while he was orbiting in space, so I'm sure that severing and draining 4 guys wouldn't be that much of a problem. The more force energy he absorbs, the more powerful he gets. That would put his raw force power above that of all 4 combined, given he is at the height of his power. Because of his knowledge of the secret dark side technique distant power, which allowed him to increase the range of a force power, in his case, he could reach anywhere in the star system. This is how he drained and killed the inhabitants of an entire planet while remaining far away in the planet's orbit. He could sever the four of them from The Force before they could even see Darth Nihilus. Even if Sidious or Dooku (I'm excluding Yoda and Mace because this is a Dark Side power) knew this power, which I doubt they did, they probably wouldn't have as much range and defiantly not the effect as Nihilus because of their lesser force energy, and not as frequent use of the technique. If Darth Nihilus severed all four from The Force, which he would immediately do, then they wouldn't be able to use any force techniques at all. Go to the Star Wars wiki and look up Force Power to see a full list. They would be reduced to a middle aged man, 2 old men, one really old green alien with lightsabers. Although they are masters with a lightsaber, they rely heavily on force techniques (force speed, force jump, precognition ect.) to give them an edge. Darth Nihilus would still have all these force powers at his disposal, meaning he could finish them off with force lightning, force choke, or pretty much anything he wanted to use. Alternatively if for some reason he decided to use his own lightsaber, he could probably kill them using the force to enhance his reflexes, strength, and predict his opponents moves.And yes, Darth Nihilus is really a cheap character. The reason he was killed is because he tried to sever and drain the Jedi Exile, who had a power very similar to Darth Nihilus, though much weaker. She unconsciously fed off the death of others to increase her force energy, while Nihilus did the exact same thing, but consiously. So when Nihilus tried to sever and drain her force energy, he failed, leaving him exhausted and an easy kill. It seems like in order to kill him, you would need him attempt to absorb the force from a person with a similar power as his. Seeing how they were the only two who had that ability, any opponent besides her just seems like an easy kill for him.
Sorry for the long message, I just wanted to completely explain my opinion.
^,..,^ Alucard is amazing!
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****ING NECROMANCERS!
HOW DO THEY WORK?!
Sorry for the long message, I just wanted to completely explain my opinion.
The first important point to note is that N. may not even be able to use the drain on these combatants. While there "was no defense" during the K0T0R era, that doesn't have to be true during the time period of the Prequel Trilogy. There is a technique that both Sidious and Dooku know, called the Quey`tek technique. This masks the user's connection to the Force completely. It'll be difficult for N. to attack and sever a connection that he cannot find.
Another factoid of import is this: The drain is ambiguous at best. We do not know if it can be used at a whim or not. Without that information, it is a little difficult to determine how effective it is in combat. If it requires a ritual or preparation, then it can't be used in a confrontation that he wasn't expecting.
Third, your scenario included the idea that N. could attack from space. In battles, the combatants aren't usually allowed time to prepare for their adversaries. Making N. aware of the movie characters (but not them aware of him) isn't a fair contest. (More to the point, when one of the people being surprise-attacked can sense deaths from the other side of the galaxy, there is something a little bit wrong with the starting assumptions. Yoda wouldn't get jumped by N.)
Finally, Sidious is canonically the most powerful Sith Lord in the mythos. When he is accompanied by Dooku, who was "one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order's 25,000 year history" and "an even greater Sith," it is difficult to imagine him losing very many fights at all that he might lose. Tossing in Yoda, "the most powerful foe the darkness had ever known" and Mace I-eat-darksiders-for-breakfast Windu makes this fight one that N. cannot win.
It might not be totally one-sided; N. has one of the more impressive telekinesis feats in all of Star Wars. However, no matter how much cooler N. is than all of these posers, there is simply no way that he could actually win.
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Originally posted by Gideon
What impressive feat is this of Nihilus's telekinesis?
Tearing the Ravager away from a gravity well.
Also constantly holding it together while it flies through space.
But you guys obviously don't know what the Ancient Sith can do. THey blow up stars, okay? Can Palpatine blow up stars?
Yeah I don't think so.
I mean, Simus could survive as just a head. Vader lost some arms and legs and he's pretty much useless now.
Ancient Sith > sll.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
[B]. THey blow up stars, okay? Can Palpatine blow up stars?
Yeah I don't think so.
No ancient sith has ever blown up a star without the use of a ship.
I mean, Simus could survive as just a head. Vader lost some arms and legs and he's pretty much useless now.
Simus couldn't defend himself from a blaster bolt.
Originally posted by Pyron_KnightYou're bad at this game.
Tearing the Ravager away from a gravity well.
Also constantly holding it together while it flies through space.But you guys obviously don't know what the Ancient Sith can do. THey blow up stars, okay? Can Palpatine blow up stars?
Yeah I don't think so.I mean, Simus could survive as just a head. Vader lost some arms and legs and he's pretty much useless now.
Ancient Sith > sll.
If it functions like a mask, I doubt it will work. If it suppresses or something as its mechanism, then maybe.
But we have to account that Nihilus might not even have a physical body to speak of, and even if he does it might not be very useful to him or even relevant. Nihilus was starving at the time he fought the exile, combine that with trying to feed on something like him, Visas messing with the connection, and the stress of attempting to fight them off, he might have just died from exhaustion of some sorts.
PS: That fight could have been so damn awesome....
Originally posted by Zampanó
The first important point to note is that N. may not even be able to use the drain on these combatants.
He unleashed that technique on Jedi Exile from a very close distance and in an instant. It did not worked because Jedi Exile was a wound in the Force. The move back-fired and led to his defeat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbZp31sbkJ8
Originally posted by Zampanó
While there "was no defense" during the K0T0R era, that doesn't have to be true during the time period of the Prequel Trilogy. There is a technique that both Sidious and Dooku know, called the Quey`tek technique. This masks the user's connection to the Force completely. It'll be difficult for N. to attack and sever a connection that he cannot find.
However, if the team has DE Sidious, then it has a chance. DE Sidious does not needs to get close. He can unleash his Force Storm from a large distance and destroy Nihilus by himself. Team effort won't be required.
Originally posted by Zampanó
Another factoid of import is this: The drain is ambiguous at best. We do not know if it can be used at a whim or not. Without that information, it is a little difficult to determine how effective it is in combat. If it requires a ritual or preparation, then it can't be used in a confrontation that he wasn't expecting.
Also, have a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_4r6GjgWDI
Originally posted by Zampanó
Finally, Sidious is canonically the most powerful Sith Lord in the mythos. When he is accompanied by Dooku, who was "one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order's 25,000 year history" and "an even greater Sith," it is difficult to imagine him losing very many fights at all that he might lose. Tossing in Yoda, "the most powerful foe the darkness had ever known" and Mace I-eat-darksiders-for-breakfast Windu makes this fight one that N. cannot win.
Originally posted by Zampanó
It might not be totally one-sided; N. has one of the more impressive telekinesis feats in all of Star Wars. However, no matter how much cooler N. is than all of these posers, there is simply no way that he could actually win.
He was a threat to the entire universe.