Darth Nihilus versus Mace, Yoda, Dooku and Sidious

If there were, Nihilus wouldn't feel the need to hold it together as Tobin suggests.

Unless there is a reason that it would fall apart (like the engines' shear forces) then there is no reason to "hold it together." Floating in space, the Ravager wasn't exposed to any such force during the small time that N. was dead. Tobin's assessment is not invalid.

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You have a source indicating that Nihilus only held the ship together in transit?

The reason I ask is that my computer @ dad's is too slow to load the Youtube video.

He held it together and kpet the crew alive during hyperspace transit and the very least.

Originally posted by Gideon
You have a source indicating that Nihilus only held the ship together in transit?

Nope. I have a rationalization that indicates that Tobin's accolade is not necessarily invalid. Because of your own preference for including, rather than excluding canon from deliberation, I thought you would appreciate this help.

Still, Tobin isn't a valid source. He wasn't there and while on the Ravager he was being controlled by the one he was verbally inflating. And yes, if someone could take a screenshot of the loading screen, that would be great. Google proved to be useless once more.

Tobin isn't an authoritative source. That is to say, his word is not as powerful as the narrator's, for example. Taken as a component of the evidence in favor of N.'s power, however, (along with the loading screen and Visas's opinions, as well as Kreia) the picture becomes clearer.

Tobin is a traitor, Kreia is a proven liar, so her word is useless. Visa is a traumatized child with Stockholm Syndrome, and we all still need to see that loading screen.

(i know it exists, i've seen it myself, but i think it is good practice to ask for the evidence to be produced)

be quiet.

(I don't have the game installed so I can't do it. Little help?)

Here it is (sry for the quality):

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Originally posted by Zampanó
Tobin isn't an authoritative source. That is to say, his word is not as powerful as the narrator's, for example. Taken as a component of the evidence in favor of N.'s power, however, (along with the loading screen and Visas's opinions, as well as Kreia) the picture becomes clearer.

It's pretty much proven that he pulled out the Ravager, but there is no other evidence supporting the fact that N. pulled out an entire fleet.

Originally posted by DrunknClockwork
Here it is (sry for the quality):

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I don't think RN is talking about an entire fleet. Star Wars ships accelerate at speeds in the range of a 1000Gs. If the Ravager had compromised structural integrity, the force of that acceleration would literally tear it apart (along with turning everyone inside into a fine paste.)

Interesting. The source does not specify how it was pulled.

So we are going to take the word of someone with no force sensitivity, and who has no understanding of the force and its' workings? Riiiiight.

Originally posted by truejedi
Tobin is a traitor, Kreia is a proven liar, so her word is useless. Visa is a traumatized child with Stockholm Syndrome, and we all still need to see that loading screen.

(i know it exists, i've seen it myself, but i think it is good practice to ask for the evidence to be produced)

Kreia, while a deciever of the highest order, has it completely in her interest to educate the Exile as fully as possible about Nihilus. She not only has absolutely no reason to lie about Nihilus but has every reason, including self-preservation, to tell at least most of the truth behind his...power... She has no reason or motivation to lie, similarly neither does Visas.

Visas is exactly what you said, but it doesn't make her wrong or a liar. In fact, she is intimately gifted with knowledge about Nihilus power and its functioning.

And yes, it is a good idea to ask to evidence.

As a general rule of thumb, fallible third parties aren't considered omniscient or absolute sources. Ever. Under any circumstances.

Originally posted by Lucius
I don't think RN is talking about an entire fleet. Star Wars ships accelerate at speeds in the range of a 1000Gs. If the Ravager had compromised structural integrity, the force of that acceleration would literally tear it apart (along with turning everyone inside into a fine paste.)

This.

I remember the cutscenes from KotOR II, and the Sith Interdictors looked pretty whole and functional. If they suffered the same as the Ravager (the prime ship-of-ships of its day) then they should have been torn to pieces. If Nihilus is holding them together as well, he's also using his telekinesis to weld fine details, and give them new paint jobs.

We continue to not be talking about the fleet.

Well now that we are...