Full god Hercules vs. Superman

Originally posted by cheap cabbage
This is a very old argument. Being saturated in magic is not equivalent to shooting a spell at superman. Herc can punch superman, he can grab superman, he can toss land masses at superman. But in the end that's just brute force. Magic powers Herc's strength, he doesn't project it. Superman speedblitzes him and tosses him into the sun after going FTL. And damn it, no arguements about superman's speed. We all know he's done it. I doesn't make sense, but he's done it.

Speed! 😱

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Where is Olympian?

I can't wait to hear his logic on this one.

Herc still loses.

Hey Avvy. Hey snoop.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Speed! 😱

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hey Avvy. Hey snoop.

Hey CC! How's school?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
wtf is Supes doing?

Just being a crazy kinda (super)guy...

That's Chuck Austen's Super(Spider)man. Terrible characterization.

School's great. Thanks.

Is he kinda smashing those guys into a ball using superspeed, or something?

Originally posted by Validus
That's Chuck Austen's Super(Spider)man. Terrible characterization.

Hence the "Been there, done that" wisecrack?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
School's great. Thanks.

Is he kinda smashing those guys into a ball using superspeed, or something?

Here is the original post, with all credit to the original poster.

Originally posted by ChaoticReign
Oh and while I'm at it another amusing encounter with Darksied:

"Where is Olympian?

I can't wait to hear his logic on this one."

My logic is this one is the same as always. The same result of him against Gladiator, Thor and the like.

Superman using all powers takes a majority. Its common sense, its a one on one wich means the less versatible opponent wont take most of it.

Slugfest i can see any of the two take it but i give a slight edge to Herc. Its more his game.

Hand to Hand i give definatly the majority to Herc. Its his definite advantage the same way powers are for Superman in the first example i gave.

In any way the fight ends up, its a though for Herc. Its not like hes going against Colossus here. That would be a clean sweap for the greek.

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"Hes the only guy I know that ask for proof you give it then he says well i seen that in another forum thats not what I'm lookin for WTF?"

Let me guess. You once showed "proof" that wasent what you claimed either and your bitching about it.

Like the classic " The avengers will be frozen and not getting out, look, he did it to WW! "

But oh wonders, the fight didnt even end up there and she won.

So what are you exactly complaining about? I kind of wonder.

Originally posted by olympian

Superman using all powers takes a majority. Its common sense, its a one on one wich means the less versatible opponent wont take most of it.

Superman using all of his powers takes 10/10. There is no argument.

Not the way comics go. He ends usually being dragged into the slugfest despise the versability he has. And top tiers never take a full sweat of 10 against other top tiers.

Superheroes love to trade punches.

The way YOU want the fight to be? Most probably would, yes. If the circunstances of the battle never changed and in those ones he never gets close, why not.

superman nukes herc's ass like he did blackrock #2.

even in a straight h2h fight supes win. he is arguably as strong (arguably stronger) than hercules, has greater durability and above all his speed.

in a comic it might be a little different -- supes likely wouldn't hit him the way he hit, say, mongul, and basically ko'd him without ever being touched. but supes COULD certainly do that to hercules or even thor.

fighting like a neanderthal (like he did against the hulk in the silly x-over) supes could lose some. using even SOME of his powers he wins the vast majority with little trouble.

Originally posted by olympian
Not the way comics go. He ends usually being dragged into the slugfest despise the versability he has. And top tiers never take a full sweat of 10 against other top tiers.

Superheroes love to trade punches.

The way YOU want the fight to be? Most probably would, yes. If the circunstances of the battle never changed and in those ones he never gets close, why not.

In a pure slugfest I still see Superman taking Herc. 8/10. Herc. has defeated nobody in h2h combat that is in Supermans league that I am aware of. Jobber characters don't count.

yea superman actuall excels in h2h combat when you look at his catalogue of fights, so why not? yeah he could take the majority of wins in this fight.

Originally posted by olympian
Not the way comics go. He ends usually being dragged into the slugfest despise the versability he has. And top tiers never take a full sweat of 10 against other top tiers.

Superheroes love to trade punches.

The way YOU want the fight to be? Most probably would, yes. If the circunstances of the battle never changed and in those ones he never gets close, why not.

Originally posted by MattDay
yea superman actuall excels in h2h combat when you look at his catalogue of fights, so why not? yeah he could take the majority of wins in this fight.

"even in a straight h2h fight supes win. he is arguably as strong (arguably stronger) than hercules, has greater durability and above all his speed."

H2H isent all powers used. Its mostly skill. Wich Superman isent high in comparation.

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"If Superman used all of his powers he would take Herc. 10/10. I don't think anybody would argue that. HV, ice breath, speed, flight, etc. Supes is rarely written to full potential."

Hv didnt stop Thor. Ice Breath isent going to do much, heck WW alone has got out of it. And he still is going to trade punches. Why? Its in character.

Now i give you that. One where he doesnt get close and doesnt let himself get hit with everything Herc is going to trow? 10/10.

Problem is, they are never written that way.

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"In a pure slugfest I still see Superman taking Herc. 8/10. Herc. has defeated nobody in h2h combat that is in Supermans league that I am aware of. Jobber characters don't count."

In a slugfest like he did to DOS Superman? Hes bound not to do that good. Altho it can split. They are both comparable strenghwise and what Supes has in advantage in durabilty, Herc compensates for better fighting ability. 8 out of 10 its a dream.

And you still dont know what H2H means. We had that argument in the Hercules capability thread. H2H is what WW uses in order to compensate the strength and speed advantage Superman has over her.

Now how many Herc looked better or defeated by using skills that are Superman league, very close to it or simply above?

:

Hulk
Thor
Wonder woman
Thor II
Typhon
Warlock
Dragon Man
Anteus
Cupid - the god that was punching on Wman and Iron Man and others.

Satisfied?

Your probably going to say that all here are jobbers tho pinch

Its never enougth to view the Hercules Scanorama:

http://www.superherochat.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=107090&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

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"yea superman actuall excels in h2h combat when you look at his catalogue of fights, so why not? yeah he could take the majority of wins in this fight."

Another one who doesnt know what H2H means. Its strenght, durabilty and most important skill. Either with weapons or without.

Superman figthing skills are good. Not great.