Iceman's Freezing vs . . .

all right. i've actually argued against bobby in the last couple iceman threads, but the evolution of his powers have raised some interesting questions in my mind. we've seen him freeze the stranger, but, more incomprhensibly, we've even seen him freeze the stranger's eyebeams! now that raised a couple issues in my mind and made me wonder . . .

if he could freeze the eyebeams, could he freeze:

1. cyke's optic blast?
2. magneto's 'invincible force field'?
3. juggernaut's force field? (if he could freeze the force fields someone else, or maybe bobby, could then crack them and break them)
4. a godforce blast?
5. anything else you could think of??

some may say this is a silly thread. IT IS NOT A SPITE THREAD! i am genuinely curious about just HOW he managed to freeze the stranger's eyebeams and if this display can be extended, even in theory, to include other, even more exotic forms of energy.

science guys have at it!

(oh, and a minor tip'o the cap to draco who's ray v iceman thread brought the question to the front of my brain . . . 😉 )

Originally posted by leonidas
all right. i've actually argued against bobby in the last couple iceman threads, but the evolution of his powers have raised some interesting questions in my mind. we've seen him freeze the stranger, but, more incomprhensibly, we've even seen him freeze the stranger's eyebeams! now that raised a couple issues in my mind and made me wonder . . .

if he could freeze the eyebeams, could he freeze:

1. cyke's optic blast?
2. magneto's 'invincible force field'?
3. juggernaut's force field? (if he could freeze the force fields someone else, or maybe bobby, could then crack them and break them)
4. a godforce blast?
5. anything else you could think of??

some may say this is a silly thread. IT IS NOT A SPITE THREAD! i am genuinely curious about just HOW he managed to freeze the stranger's eyebeams and if this display can be extended, even in theory, to include other, even more exotic forms of energy.

science guys have at it!

(oh, and a minor tip'o the cap to draco who's ray v iceman thread brought the question to the front of my brain . . . 😉 )

he loeses to juggs

Aren't Stranger's eye beams just heat blasts?

it's not a gauntlet . . .

1.Yes
2.I don't understand what u mean by freezing a force feild.
3.I don't understand what u mean by freezing a force feild.
4.Yes

Originally posted by leonidas
all right. i've actually argued against bobby in the last couple iceman threads, but the evolution of his powers have raised some interesting questions in my mind. we've seen him freeze the stranger, but, more incomprhensibly, we've even seen him freeze the stranger's eyebeams! now that raised a couple issues in my mind and made me wonder . . .

if he could freeze the eyebeams, could he freeze:

1. cyke's optic blast?
2. magneto's 'invincible force field'?
3. juggernaut's force field? (if he could freeze the force fields someone else, or maybe bobby, could then crack them and break them)
4. a godforce blast?
5. anything else you could think of??

some may say this is a silly thread. IT IS NOT A SPITE THREAD! i am genuinely curious about just HOW he managed to freeze the stranger's eyebeams and if this display can be extended, even in theory, to include other, even more exotic forms of energy.

science guys have at it!

(oh, and a minor tip'o the cap to draco who's ray v iceman thread brought the question to the front of my brain . . . 😉 )

Well.... energy is subject to the law of conservation of energy. Thus, energy cannot be made or destroyed, it can only be converted from one form to another, that is, transformed. In practice, during any energy transformation in (macroscopic) system, some energy is converted into incoherent microscopic motion of parts of the system (which is usually called heat or thermal motion), and the entropy of the system increases. Perhaps Iceman's powers, aside from being able to reduce the kinetic motion of particles, include an innate ability to increase the amount of energy in a closed system that is normally converted to heat thus granting himself greater control of it.

Looking at the feat of Iceman freezing the Stranger's eye-beams, a possible explanation is that Iceman simply initiated a near-total conversion of the electromagnetic energy (I'm assuming that was the type of energy released) in the blast to kinetic energy of the surrounding particles. Quickly, he then preceded to remove the newly introduced kinetic energy and thus "froze" the beam.

Originally posted by Validus
Aren't Stranger's eye beams just heat blasts?

im not sure

As far as the specific examples listed:

1. Yes for a short blast, but for a sustained one I'd image that Bobby would have to remain focused on the task at hand and keep "freezing" the new energy that is constantly being introduced
2. Yes
3. Not sure due to it's mystical nature
4. Again given the fact that magic is involved and the shear amount of energy we are talking about, I'm tempted to say no here.

Originally posted by TheKahn
As far as the specific examples listed:

1. Yes for a short blast, but for a sustained one I'd image that Bobby would have to remain focused on the task at hand and keep "freezing" the new energy that is constantly being introduced
2. Yes
3. Not sure due to it's mystical nature
4. Again given the fact that magic is involved and the shear amount of energy we are talking about, I'm tempted to say no here.

to three it would have to be no or he would not be unstopable

Originally posted by He-guy88
to three it would have to be no or he would not be unstopable

Juggernaut's force field isn't what makes him unstoppable... 😕

Originally posted by TheKahn
Juggernaut's force field isn't what makes him unstoppable... 😕

ur right but still bobbys powers wont penatrait it

Originally posted by TheKahn
Well.... energy is subject to the law of conservation of energy. Thus, energy cannot be made or destroyed, it can only be converted from one form to another, that is, transformed. In practice, during any energy transformation in (macroscopic) system, some energy is converted into incoherent microscopic motion of parts of the system (which is usually called heat or thermal motion), and the entropy of the system increases. Perhaps Iceman's powers, aside from being able to reduce the kinetic motion of particles, include an innate ability to increase the amount of energy in a closed system that is normally converted to heat thus granting himself greater control of it.

Looking at the feat of Iceman freezing the Stranger's eye-beams, a possible explanation is that Iceman simply initiated a near-total conversion of the electromagnetic energy (I'm assuming that was the type of energy released) in the blast to kinetic energy of the surrounding particles. Quickly, he then preceded to remove the newly introduced kinetic energy and thus "froze" the beam.

Stripping the energy source of its kinetic energy thus freezing the heat beam. Heat can't exist if the kinetic energy particles are completely stopped or taken out. Nice Kahn! Very creative thinking.

You can't freeze energy, since freezing involves a change of state for matter. Since this is a comic book though, that means that he could freeze anything, I suppose.

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
You can't freeze energy, since freezing involves a change of state for matter. Since this is a comic book though, that means that he could freeze anything, I suppose.

well energy cant be destroyede but it can be changed so i gess in the comics that counts to 😉

Iceman can't freeze

-Thing's Spirit

-Cap's Courage

-Thor's Jibberish

-Wolverine's Apparent ability to throw Dumpsters with ease 😛

i am pretty sure it is universually recognised that he losses to jugs

i m pretty sure that iceman has enough ability to contain magneto surrounding his forcefield i layers of ice. which means that he will not be able to move.

after all supposedly iceman is an omega level mutant

i think that it will take 2 to 3 of thors hammers wacks to break down one of icemans walls.

i seem to remember in there intital encouter that iceman was unable to properly defend himself against sunfire.. however latter in the arc that introduced colossus brother they seem to be more evently matched.

iceman is able to shatter and reform himself from pieces.. as long as he reamins in his frozen form.

what would be interesting is to see how icemans icewall goes up against Banshees (RIP) sonic screams. or avalance/ rictors sesemic abilitys

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
You can't freeze energy, since freezing involves a change of state for matter. Since this is a comic book though, that means that he could freeze anything, I suppose.

I should have put "freeze" in quotation marks just like I did right there. I didn't mean he could actually "freeze" the energy, I ment that he possess the power to stop the kinetic energy in those blasts, thus stopping the heat and "freazing" it.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Well.... energy is subject to the law of conservation of energy. Thus, energy cannot be made or destroyed, it can only be converted from one form to another, that is, transformed. In practice, during any energy transformation in (macroscopic) system, some energy is converted into incoherent microscopic motion of parts of the system (which is usually called heat or thermal motion), and the entropy of the system increases. Perhaps Iceman's powers, aside from being able to reduce the kinetic motion of particles, include an innate ability to increase the amount of energy in a closed system that is normally converted to heat thus granting himself greater control of it.

Looking at the feat of Iceman freezing the Stranger's eye-beams, a possible explanation is that Iceman simply initiated a near-total conversion of the electromagnetic energy (I'm assuming that was the type of energy released) in the blast to kinetic energy of the surrounding particles. Quickly, he then preceded to remove the newly introduced kinetic energy and thus "froze" the beam.

Excellent. Dude, I'm impressed more by you every day.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Excellent. Dude, I'm impressed more by you every day.

Thanks. I wrote that instead of studying for my Judicial Processes midterm 🙁 😉

Technically there is no such things as "Freezing" or cold there is only the absence of heat and what is heat the moving around moecules. Which means Iceman's power is the ability to slow molecules down. Which is most notable in the water vapor since it has the lowest conversion point in changing states of matter compared to the other elements surrounding him.
Energy as we know is the simple motion of atoms and particles exhanging energy. This is why lighting looks the way it does in a zig zag pattern. You see when lighting is moving from the ground up the energy or exchanging electrons will take the path of least resistance in the moecules in the air.
Now this brings me to what the Strangers eye beams. They would be the moving of energy through the the molecules in the air. What Iceman did was slow the Molecules down to a halt and stopped the path the enrgy was taking once the energy dispersed from the moelcules outward all that was left was the normal water vapor in the air. Thus it would "freeze" where Iceman was focusing his power.

As for Scotts Beams he could except that Scott could just keep pouring enrgy into it hoping to make the molecules going again.

Magneto shield would simply be Magento Focusing and binding the Atoms around him binding them really tightly. Thus Bobbies ability to stop molecules would have no effect on the shield itself and the area inside but he could effect the water vapor around it.

I would say no to the Godforce Blast as it is magical in anture and thus sre not bound by the laws of science plus there is probably to much energy being moved for Booby to effect it.