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Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda could beat Kun, as could Sidious...though Luke would crush everyone else here
ROTS Sidious can beat Kun ? Funny...
Kun has shown himself to be superior to a 600 year old Jedi in melee combat and to a more than 1,000 year old Jedi in force combat when Sidious lost in both disciplines against Yoda. Force wise he might be able to hold Kun off but Kun would kick his ass in a lightsaber duel every day.
And DN Luke is able to curbstomp both opponents - possibly Kun can watch and have a drink here instead of participating in the fight.
Originally posted by Master Fox
"Force wise he might be able to hold Kun off but Kun would kick his ass in a lightsaber duel every day."Now do you really have any backing for that statement? When Kun is able to pwn three jedi masters in about 5 seconds, then you might have a case. And Sidious STALEMATED Yoda in the saber fight.
Since when is killing three Jedi Masters a requirement for competing with Sidious? Did Yoda? Did Mace? No.
Originally posted by Borbarad
ROTS Sidious can beat Kun ? Funny...
Kun has shown himself to be superior to a 600 year old Jedi in melee combat and to a more than 1,000 year old Jedi in force combat when Sidious lost in both disciplines against Yoda. Force wise he might be able to hold Kun off but Kun would kick his ass in a lightsaber duel every day.And DN Luke is able to curbstomp both opponents - possibly Kun can watch and have a drink here instead of participating in the fight.
Oh yeah, great argument Nai.
1. You assume Vodo is as powerful as Yoda.
2. You pull out the bs argument that Sidious lost the fight. It was at *best* a stalemate concerning Yoda.
3. You assume that Kun is better at lightsaber dueling than Sidious. Any proof Nai? Thought so. And I dont believe Kun ever took out 3 jedi masters in 5 seconds though I could be wrong?
4. Any proof that Luke is capable of defeating *both* Sidious and Yoda at the same time? I realize he would probably win against one of them, but I doubt he can take both.
Originally posted by Master Fox
Did I say it was a requirement? Did I even imply it? Don't put words into my mouth.
Did you even imply it? Why yes actually: When Kun is able to pwn three jedi masters in about 5 seconds, then you might have a case.
See? I didn't put words into your mouth, so don't raise questions with me.
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Did you even imply it? Why yes actually: [b]When Kun is able to pwn three jedi masters in about 5 seconds, then you might have a case.See? I didn't put words into your mouth, so don't raise questions with me. [/B]
There is such a thing as not being 100% definite on everything you say on an Internet forum. So let me reiterate. Until Kun shows that kind of skill with a saber, then you have a case.
Originally posted by Master Fox
There is such a thing as not being 100% definite on everything you say on an Internet forum.
And? You tried to raise questions saying you didn't imply something, even indirectly - you did. The fact that you actually came back and said "I didn't imply blah-blah" made the difference, if you would've typed this first, then I wouldn't have said a thing.
So let me reiterate. Until Kun shows that kind of skill with a saber, then you have a case.
Now here's where I can see what you were talking about being one-hundred percent definite.
Yeah, MS you take what people say too literally.
Okay?
Anyways...back on topic, we've wasted enough time dealing with insignificant things.
Sidious is able to hold his own with a nine hundred year old being, and probably the strongest Jedi ever if 'strongest foe the darkness had ever known' isn't definite enough.
And Kun killed a guy who was reluctant to fight him and held onto a hope that he could be turned back and didn't even use a means to actually kill Kun. And Vodo's own spirit clarifies this well enough, information fromthe Ultimate Visual Guide and the JA trilogy. (And yes, the holocron spirit was Vodo's actual spirit, confirmed by the Ultimate Visual Guide)...and if we want to use age for power, Sidious's flunky was able to match someone far older than a thousand. And Odan was the spokesman for the order and had never, not once showed himself to be anything resembling the term 'useful'...his battle meditation backfires totally, he stands around uselessly in the Hyperspace war, his best idea is to show Ulic a nice little parable rather than actually putting his foot down on an action that has never had a succesful result...At the very least, most Jedi have at least some success shown.
While Kun might defeat Sidious in a saber duel, in the force? He could do a bit more than just hold Kun off.