Originally posted by FanboyWhen has Spider-Man beat Wolverine? Wolverine has clean wins over Spider-Man, but I dont recall Peter ever doing the same.
Spiderman already beat him Deathstroke almost got knocked out but then said he let him hit him.
Deathstroke did not let Wolverine do anything. Wolverine snuck up on Deathstroke, dodged Slade's attack, and then floored him. Deathstroke stayed down so that he could get a drop on the unsuspecting X-Men. He didn't let Wolverine hit him, he got hit in the act of trying to attack Wolverine.
Originally posted by batdude123Not arguing that Hulk couldn't win, but he has already tried this tactic and couldn't capitalize. Now Wolverine is going to recover from Thunderclap even quicker than he did in the past.
Actually, Hulk could use the thunderclap as a few second distraction on Wolverine. That would be all that he required.
Originally posted by batdude123When has Hulk ever allowed Wolverine time to heal?
What gave Wolverine a chance in the past, is the fact that Hulk gave Wolverine a chance for him to heal himself.
Originally posted by batdude123In Wolverine # 145 almost the whole fgight has Wolverine getting continuously pounded on. Hulk gave him no breathing space here. Wolveirne just used Hulk's momentumn to hurt him.
When he hasn't continually pounded on him like he does for other people.
In Hulk 181 Wolverine simply was too fast for Hulk to hit, unless Wolverine was tied up or looking at someone else.
Against Grey Hulk Wolverine rolled out of the way to avoid Hulk's immediate follow-up to Thunderclap and then retreated through the trees to give himself some breathing room. Grey Hulk is also not as tough as Green, so you have to account that Wolverine's assault hurt and slowed Hulk down a lot.
Hulk shouldn't be able to continually pound on Wolverine. Wolverine is a better and more intelligent fighter than just about anyone esle Hulk fights and he's a lot faster and more agile than Hulk. Why would Hulk continually pound on someone that has the ability to dance around him most of the fight?
And why are we talking about Hulk in a street level thread anyway?
That's what I mean. Wolverine has the ability to hang with the Hulk for a minute or two, but he would eventually lose. Wolverine knows it's a fight he cannot win. Anyways, I don't know how the topic of Hulk got brought up. He isn't a street leveler. What street-leveler do you think would beat Wolvie, riceroost?
I don't know if anyone has brought this up or not but in comics anyone and beat anyone giving the right circumstanses. I'm a wolverine fan but I know that wolverine isn't unbeatable all the time. spiderman, luke cage, gambit, deathstroke, and deadpool all have a change of puting wolverine down some of the time. That doesn't mean I think they would take the majorty but at least three times out of ten, at least.
Originally posted by batdude123Yeah Hulk would eventually get a hold of Wolverine, but it would be by sheer luck and only after a long ass fight, at least several hours into it. Hulk wont get tired, but neither will Wolverine. Hell, bone claws Wolverine could hang with Hulk for a couple of minutes.
That's what I mean. Wolverine has the ability to hang with the Hulk for a minute or two, but he would eventually lose. Wolverine knows it's a fight he cannot win. Anyways, I don't know how the topic of Hulk got brought up. He isn't a street leveler. What street-leveler do you think would beat Wolvie, riceroost?
I honestly have to agree with what that shinkuu guy said several pages back.
As far as the street level crowd goes Wolverine has just about all of them outclassed in speed, strength, reflexes and training.
No street level without a healing factor should be able to hang with Wolverine for very long. DD should die, Punisher should die faster, Moon Knight...no, Shang-Chi he has beat, Ogun he beat twice, Iron Fist threw everything he had at Wolverine and couldn't even get the guy to blink, Shiva might have the technical skill, but she does not have the physical ability, ditto for Richard Dragon, same goes for Elektra, but she is even less skilled than Shiva or Dragon IMO, Spider-Man pounded on him for several minutes and Wolverine never stopped smiling. Honestly when you laugh off full powered shots from Colossus, what street level character should be able to hurt you?
Deathstroke could take Wolverine, but he'd need a lot of preparation, he would have to aquire detailed information about Wolverine, he would need specific weaponry and gear to fight him with, and Wolverine could not know the fight was going to happen. Even with all these advantages Deathstroke only takes 1/2 and that's only if Wolverine doesn't get close to him. Without these advantages Deathstroke just does not have a powerful enough healing factor to survive getting hit by Wolverine. Wolverine may not be able to kill Deathstroke, but the winner isn't dictated by a kill anyway.
Even people that do have a Wolverine level healing factor dont win half the time against him. Creed is stronger, faster, and has a better healing factor currently, and Wolverine still wins 60-70% of their battles. Deadpool has a comparable healing factor and even he, armed with many Deathstroke/mercenary style weapons, can't beat Wolverine unless Wolverine's healing factor isn't working, or he has a trank made specifically for Wolverine.
Call me a fanboy, but even going by mid-level Wolverine feats:
1) He can take 100 ton punches with moderate success.
2) He speed and reflexes are good enough to consistantly hit Spider- Man and Nightcrawler.
3) He is basically impervious to injuries caused by blades and bullets, which are the primary weapon of choice for street level.
4) He has a lot more experience than Captain America, who is only impressive because of his experience. I know you dont think much of experience, but most people agree that experience is the great deciding factor in just about any fight.
Going by this, it really does not make any sense that street level guys have the ability to hurt Wolverine, or the ability to survive even a few simple attacks from him.
Originally posted by batdude123While I respect the hell out of Batman, the whole prep thing pisses me off. Batman's use of prep does swing the odds mightily in his favor, but why is that? It's because not many of the people he fights are as highly trained as Batman, as intelligent as Batman, or as vigilant as Batman.
Hmm.... interesting and I think you make very good points. Wolverine is just about top of the class street-level. However, I think that Batman with prep could take him. 😖hifty:
If Wolverine is not being written as a moron he is very intelligent.(maybe he does not have Batman's IQ, but he is very intelligent, especially in combat situations and his long life ensure he is far more knowledgable than most.) His extensive MA, ninja, and special ops training help him recognize danger better than most, his enhanced senses constantly filter the environment, and allow him to avoid danger to an impressive degree. If he gets into a BatTrap his healing factor is going to make alot of physical attacks pointless.
Batman with prep might beat Wolverine, but how well would Batman do if Wolverine knew Batman was coming? Or what if.....
Wolverine with Prep VS. Batman with none????
Originally posted by riceroost
While I respect the hell out of Batman, the whole prep thing pisses me off. Batman's use of prep does swing the odds mightily in his favor, but why is that? It's because not many of the people he fights are as highly trained as Batman, as intelligent as Batman, or as vigilant as Batman.If Wolverine is not being written as a moron he is very intelligent.(maybe he does not have Batman's IQ, but he is very intelligent, especially in combat situations and his long life ensure he is far more knowledgable than most.) His extensive MA, ninja, and special ops training help him recognize danger better than most, his enhanced senses constantly filter the environment, and allow him to avoid danger to an impressive degree. If he gets into a BatTrap his healing factor is going to make alot of physical attacks pointless.
Batman with prep might beat Wolverine, but how well would Batman do if Wolverine knew Batman was coming? Or what if.....
Wolverine with Prep VS. Batman with none????
The reason Batman with prep is so good is because with it he has taken down superhumans with it before. Bats has got a lot going for him. He has shown time and time again what his savvy can do in a fight. Batman would study and analyze Wolverine's strengths and weaknesses. Through this (as Batman is the best deductive reasoner on the DC earth), he would come up with a master plan in order to beat Wolvie. I realize that Wolverine is smart, I have nothing against his wit, but you're right, he DOESN'T have Batman's IQ which btw, is over 200. Anyways, Batman with prep would get the job done. However, Wolverine wouldn't need prep against Batman in order to get the victory. If Batman doesn't have prep, then giving Wolverine prep is just redundant overkill.