Originally posted by jinzin
it wasn't 2,000 pounds... that's your first strike..so let me ask you again. WHY was it PIS?
First off, Wolverine's strength has been shown again and again and again to be simply enchanced human. Which at most is about 1,000 pounds.
Now here it is shown that a 1,600 pound dumpster can be thrown with one hand by an enchanced human 🤨
Also, say Wolverine is above Enchanced Human (which he isnt), even then he shouldnt be able to throw the dumpster with one hand. Why?
Leverage. It would take some time for Wolverine to get into the right position to hold the dumpster with one hand I might add. Of course the comic shows it as simply a second. Now Wolverine was behind the vertical base of the dumpster, the fastest way to pick it up would be to run over to the middle of the horizontal base and pick it up there. Of course this makes no sense as by the time that Wolverine would have done this he would have been shot numerous times by his enemy. Since Wolverine isnt impervioious to bullets they would cause him to drop the dumpster and would most likely fall on himself.
So even if Wolverine had that kind of strength, he still couldnt have possibly done what he did in the comic 😄
Originally posted by jinzinYeah Wolverine can take Ryu's punches well, but considering that a lot of Ryu's fighting utilizes chi you can't say that he would just soak up the damage like he would the damage from a normal 20 ton punch.
not saying he isn't..... the main problem with dealing with wolverine for a guy like ryu is wolverine's levels of damage soak...
Originally posted by jinzinIt's been theorized that Ryu has an endless supply of ki energy with which to fight, so he should be able to maintain top speed for a very long time.
yeah he can but for how long?
Ryu's speed feats aren't all that impressive only because there is so little official Street Fighter story available to use. We know he can effortlessly dodge gunfire because Capcom confirmed that ability after the Street Fighter Alpha Movie came out, showing Ryu dodging bullets.
Originally posted by jinzinAgain, this in not really true. Ryu is not a normal human and is able to pull off super human feats strictly because of how much he trains. Since Ryu trains more than anyone else his stamina increases to what is most likely superhuman or very near it. Bolstered by a nearly inexhaustable supply of ki energy, he's not going to tire out anytime soon.
ryu also faces the same problem that spiderman does in that wolverine will have a much higher stamina level.. ryu's able to compete speed wise because he can amp himself with chi.. but it does take it's toll on the man..
Originally posted by jinzinAnd we all know how believable it is for a normal human man to be dodging bullets. I could accept Batman dodging a single bullet, but not more than one, not more than one shooter, and certainly not automatic fire. I know he can do it, but it's so far out of the realm of what a person can do it's rediculous to bring it up here. Ryu can dodge bullets because he's beyond human from his training regiment, he knows "magic" martial arts, and he can utilize Ki energy. Spider-Man dodges bullets because he has precog and super agility, Wolverine does it because he has enhanced senses/speed/reflexes beyond a human. Why does Batman dodge bullets??? Because the creative team thought it looked cool.
batman has dodged multiple assailants in automatic gunfire.
Originally posted by jinzinI really can't, there is VERY little official information on actual cannon Street Fighter crap.
[B]look all I'm saying is, if you're going to give the benefit of the doubt that ryu can even compete speedwise, then use better examples then him dodging bullets from one gunment using a handgun.B]
Originally posted by jinzinRyu has never really fought Bison that we know of. They had a brief interaction before the second tournament where Ryu drove off Bison, but there was no fight. Bison tried to use Psycho Power to control Ryu and Ryu got pissed and hit Bison, leading to Bison retreating. This is actually pretty impressive considering Bison was god-like during Alpha 3 and he ran from a fight with Ryu. Ryu may have beat Bison at the second tournament, but that Bison was weaker and we have no official information on who was in the finals.
[B]IMO better feats for ryu's speed would be his fights against bison.
Originally posted by jinzinIt was closer to a 20 ton boulder. And yeah Spider-Man is strong as hell, but Ryu went JOGGING down the road for miles carrying the boulder. In Oro's Street Fighter Third Strike ending Ryu is lifting a boulder that's easily twice the size of the one he was lifting before, So Ryu is well beyond 20 ton range.
I THINNK it was a 10 ton boulder.. but then again.. does this matter? really does it? look at what spiderman has been capible of lifting on his back (support beam of an entire building, 30 tons of rubble) and his best shots did nothing but make wolverine smile.. I truly don't think ryu could fair any better...
Originally posted by jinzinWell Ryu punches harder than Spider-Man, so I would imagine his fireball would hurt a lot more since the fireball is more powerful than Ryu's punches.
do they back more punch then a spiderman punch?
Originally posted by jinzinWell the Sonic Boom (Guile's projectile) is supposed to travel at least as fast as the speed of sound and Ryu's Hadou Ken is by far a more powerful projectile. They can move pretty fast. And Ryu can unleash fireballs quicker (takes him no time to charge fireball) than just about any other Street Fighter. Ryu can also make his fireball pretty gigantic. Like Cyclops, not every blast is the same size. Some are orbs, some are waves, some are blasts, and he can throw a huge beam of energy like in the X-Men vs. Street Fighter games. Ryu can vaporize cyborgs with at least superhuman durability and regenerative/self repairing mechanisms with a single blast.
the hado ken isn't even close to some of the things wolverine's dodged in terms of speed.
Originally posted by jinzinRyu does not pass out after throwing high end fireballs/blasts/beams. That was also when Ryu was much younger and struggling with the Dark Hadou. Throwing the super destructive version didn't make him pass out, it was the strain of fighting the Satsui no Hadou. Dark Hadou builds up massive amounts of destructive energy and fighting to cut off the influence might have made the power explode, which is what caused Ryu to pass out. It's also the movie's interpretation of the satsui no hado, and it's not exactly accurate. When Ryu uses the Satsui no Hado he is not maniacal like a growling beast, he's more like Akuma/Gouki, calm collected and seeking to win the fight no matter what.
well when ryu DOES shoot out hadokens that have the same destructive capacity he usually tends to pass out... the only times he's shown NOT to pass out from throwing out something that destructive is when he begins to let the dakr hado take over.
Originally posted by jinzinOOOOOOOOh. I am beginning to see your problem. You are talking about the Ryu from the Street Fighter comic book from Udon. Needless to say this is not cannon Street Fighter information or sources. Yes, Wolverine would beat the Ryu from the comic. I am not talking about this Ryu. Ryu would pretty easily annihilate Balrog in the actual Street Fighter universe. Balrog is not really that good, and even having said that he can punch a bull elephant hard enough to kill it.
again I'm not sure if his martial arts ability outclasses wolverine's THAT much.. the guy had SERIOUS problems on several occasions fighting bolrog
Originally posted by jinzinAgain, this is comic Sagat. The real Sagat is a beast. He was the greatest fighter in the world until Ryu beat him. Ryu actually can't really touch Sagat's talent till around the end of the SF2 tournament. Currently they are still tiered in the same rank. Ryu only outclasses Sagat because he has more raw power/chi than Sagat. And again, this was at 16 years of age.
Sagat wan't the greatest fighter on the planet.. not even close.. he was just the greatest tournement fighter.. there were a number of people far more powerful than himself during his reign as champ.. and to sagat'sown admission he had a lot to learn about the fighting arts when ryu beat him.
Originally posted by jinzinYou miss the point of the move. Shun Goku Satsu is not a move that comits a great force on the body like a shot from Hulk. It is a move designed to send the victim of the technique straight to Hell. Shin Shoryuken is roughly equal to this move. My bad on the wording. In terms of sheer destructive power a Hadou blast would work best. Ryu or Gouki could level a forest no problem.
is it as destructive as say.. hulk with a redwood?
Originally posted by jinzinI dont know what you are talking about here. Vega has never fought Ryu in the comics or in the actual Street Fighter cannon storyline, so we dont know how he would stand up to blades. And in the official SF story Bison wouldn't even notice bullets. They are incapable of doing him any harm at all.
he's not durable enough to stop vega claws from sending him to the hospital if he's hit with them.. that's a pretty strict consistency with any street fighter in ryu's class... and the only human able to contradict this was bison.. even then he had to use a pretty hefty amount of psychopower to stop bullets from penetrating him...
Originally posted by jinzinThe 3 most powerful people in SF right now are Gouki/Oro/Gill. Ryu did get beat by Oro in SF3, but Ryu impressed Oro (Who is of god-like power) to the point that Oro has picked Ryu to be his student as Ryu shows greater promise than any other fighter on the planet. Oro compares Ken's fighting ability to that of a dog when in relation to Ryu's talent. And Ken is really good.
i don't think this is true either.. I'm pretty positive alpha bison, akuma, oro, and gill could all beat ryu given that circumstance anyway.. not saying he can't take wolverine here.. just how likely is it to happen?
Gouki still believes that Ryu will be just as powerful, if not moreso than himself very soon. Ryu is almost as powerful as Gouki and that is WITHOUT using the Satsui no Hadou. If Ryu did use the SNH he probably would be as good if not better than Gouki. Ryu just wants to be that powerful without needing to use the killing intent.
Gill is straight up a God and was defeated by Alex in SF3. Ryu obliterated Alex. Alex couldn't land a single blow on Ryu.
Originally posted by jinzinComic Ryu again. Balrog couldn't touch the real Ryu and even the real Balrog would kill comic Balrog. Ryu has stalemated Gouki (Alpha 2) who is the most powerful being in the Street Fighter universe. And he beat a guy who beat a god.
I don't.. remember iron fist took down the entire wrecking crew with a decent amount of ease.. ryu had problems with one guy that wasn't even close to wrecking crew level in balrog and got seriously messed up...
Originally posted by jinzinThe real Ryu would vaporize pretty much all Marvel's street level guys. Ryu's not exactly street level, even though he fights hand to hand.
ryu's impressive.. but against marvel street levels.. he's much less so..IMHO anyways.
Originally posted by riceroost
And we all know how believable it is for a normal human man to be dodging bullets. I could accept Batman dodging a single bullet, but not more than one, not more than one shooter, and certainly not automatic fire. I know he can do it, but it's so far out of the realm of what a person can do it's rediculous to bring it up here. Ryu can dodge bullets because he's beyond human from his training regiment, he knows "magic" martial arts, and he can utilize Ki energy. Spider-Man dodges bullets because he has precog and super agility, Wolverine does it because he has enhanced senses/speed/reflexes beyond a human. Why does Batman dodge bullets??? Because the creative team thought it looked cool.
Batman, I might add, is NOT a "normal human." He is peak human physical ability and in comics, that automatically puts you in the "dodging machine gun fire" category. 😄
Originally posted by jinzin
or maybe you stepped all over yourself when you then stated that we should never have another wolverine cutting thanos conversation.
you never clarified it to be bone wolverine that we shouldn't have the conversation about you said wolverine.. period...too bad wolverine stabbed his claws right through thanos...
too bad adman warlock recognized it has a most surprising moment that wolverine would be the one who took thanos down... too bad thanos had the infinity guantlet instead of being downed with a one hitter quiter.
There is no maybe, you stepped in neck deep shit with Wolverine in response to my Thanos piece after I responded to riceroost. Go read his statement then mine and everything falls into place.
You made the assumption without reading previous discussions it would seem.
Originally posted by batdude123Batman is as good as a human can be. Olympic Atheletes are as impressive physically as a human can be. None of them can dodge bullets, neither should Batman. It makes no sense. Daredevil has radar, Spider-Man has spider-powers, Flash has speed force, What does Batman have??? Nothing. He has no metagene, therefor he should not be dodging gunfire. Cap is peak human, but at least he explains it away by having a shield and Super Soldier Serum, which allows him to "See Faster."
Batman, I might add, is NOT a "normal human." He is peak human physical ability and in comics, that automatically puts you in the "dodging machine gun fire" category. 😄
Batman has nothing. No offense to the character or his fans, but it makes no sense. Batman is intelligent enough to find another way to avoid getting shot. Watching him flip around automatic fire is just stupid to watch.
Originally posted by Grimm22Dont be an idiot like you??? Or dont be an idiot in general? Because I read that straight out of the official marvel handbook. So if you are arguing about what I read in the back of the handbook, then you are clearly the idiot... as usual.
*slaps RiceRoost*Don't be an idiot 😠
Did I say Wolverine could lift 25 tons? No, I didn't. I said the category goes that high. Pay attention.
Originally posted by riceroost
Batman is as good as a human can be. Olympic Atheletes are as impressive physically as a human can be. None of them can dodge bullets, neither should Batman. It makes no sense. Daredevil has radar, Spider-Man has spider-powers, Flash has speed force, What does Batman have??? Nothing. He has no metagene, therefor he should not be dodging gunfire. Cap is peak human, but at least he explains it away by having a shield and Super Soldier Serum, which allows him to "See Faster."Batman has nothing. No offense to the character or his fans, but it makes no sense. Batman is intelligent enough to find another way to avoid getting shot. Watching him flip around automatic fire is just stupid to watch.
They are comic book characters. Besides, Batman has proved countless amounts of time to be able to successfully take evasive action against machine gun fire. Whether you like it or not, Batman is quick and agile enough to pull it off.
Originally posted by riceroost
Dont be an idiot like you??? Or dont be an idiot in general? Because I read that straight out of the official marvel handbook. So if you are arguing about what I read in the back of the handbook, then you are clearly the idiot... as usual.Did I say Wolverine could lift 25 tons? No, I didn't. I said the category goes that high. Pay attention.
I dont know what handbook your looking at but its most definitly the dumbest thing i've heard in a long time.
Seriously use your common sense