What should the U.S.A. do eith Sadam Husein

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Ah, but neither the justice system now nor the forces that took it out recognise the old system as legitimate.

I have no reason to think his trial will not be fair. And it is certainly the most appropriate way to resolve it.

That may be, but what laws can they go by?
Certainly not their new ones, since they weren't in place at time of his deeds, that would be unjust. So he didn't do anything wrong by Iraq's laws, but he very much did something wrong by International law....

And genocide is a deed that a global court has to take care of, isn't it?

Why would a global court whose authority his regime did not recognise be any better than a new Iraqi one on that principle?

I don't see it being unjust at all for him to be tried by the Iraqi system using basic precepts of justice as appiled to his activities there.

His crimes were against the Iraqis, their system should judge him. Note- their system. Not their mob. A distinction that exposes the clumsiness of your pompous comment to Lil above.

Originally posted by PVS
i expect and am ammused by our more predictable and weak minded members making baseless assumptions like that. however i am mildly surprised to see it come from you.

so answer this: how does a respect for legality and the principles of the geneva convention...and basically the agreed legal principles of all the civilized world: a.k.a. NOT torturing prisonerd equate to sympathy for a dictator.

i guess your next question for me will be: "why do you love saddam and hate your freedom?"

No, I'm not gonna answer to you like that and I'll give you a heads up. Don't waste you time trying to play your little gimmicks of "zOMG!111 lolololLOL" BS. That's why I told you to get real real or go somewhere else to play that crap. Your little quoting posts trick games have gotten old. I'm not going to feed your sudden hunger for tricks.

My response was legitimate...give him a taste of his own medice. He treated his prisoners like shit. So give him the same treatment. If this was the case of guantamo prisoner I wouldn't feel the same. This is Saddam we're talking about...he didn't respect not geneva blah, blah, when he was in power. Again, they been cuddling him enough in the trials. Someone should really just kick him in the pants.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Why would a global court whose authority his regime did not recognise be any better than a new Iraqi one on that principle?

I don't see it being unjust at all for him to be tried by the Iraqi system using basic precepts of justice as appiled to his activities there.

His crimes were against the Iraqis, their system should judge him. Note- their system. Not their mob. A distinction that exposes the clumsiness of your pompous comment to Lil above.

But their were no laws in place....isn't "nulla poena sine lege" a very basic principle that Iraq could not enforce in that case?

Also, he is not part of their jurisdiction, the Nazi Criminals weren't put to a german court either, were they?

[edit]Nice edit

I say lock him in a eight-by-eight room with Terrell Owens for 48 hours.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But their were no laws in place....isn't "nulla poena sine lege" a very basic principle that Iraq could not enforce in that case?

Also, he is not part of their jurisdiction, the Nazi Criminals weren't put to a german court either, were they?

[edit]Nice edit

Didn't you just question the legitimacy of the Nuremburg trials? Try and hold a steady point, at least.

The fact is there is no legal difference between etracting him to an intenrnational court whose laws were notrhing he had anything to do with as there is to trying him by laws in his cown country that he also had nothying to do with.

But it is a heck of a lot more relevant and appropirate to do the second.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
No, I'm not gonna answer to you like that and I'll give you a heads up. Don't waste you time trying to play your little gimmicks of "zOMG!111 lolololLOL" BS. That's why I told you to get real real or go somewhere else to play that crap. Your little quoting posts trick games have gotten old. I'm not going to feed your sudden hunger for tricks.

is that a warning? what a cop out
no game at all WD, unless you consider hitting the "quote" button is some underhanded trick. watch, i'll do it again:

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
all of sudden you want me to have sympathy for the guy. Get real will ya...

that fact is you wont respond because you know you are in the wrong.

anyway:

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
My response was legitimate

you're response that respecting law equals sympathising with saddam was legitimate? then perhaps you can explain why? or perhaps you can go on calling the reality of what you said one of my "tricks" 🙄

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
..give him a taste of his own medice. He treated his prisoners like shit. So give him the same treatment. If this was the case of guantamo prisoner I wouldn't feel the same. This is Saddam we're talking about...he didn't respect not geneva blah, blah, when he was in power. Again, they been cuddling him enough in the trials. Someone should really just kick him in the pants.

its not our place to punish saddam. it is the right of the free© iraqi people.
america has no right to try, judge, sentence and ESPECIALLY torture him.
now iraqis...thats a whole other story.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Didn't you just question the legitimacy of the Nuremburg trials? Try and hold a steady point, at least.

The fact is there is no legal difference between etracting him to an intenrnational court whose laws were notrhing he had anything to do with as there is to trying him by laws in his cown country that he also had nothying to do with.

But it is a heck of a lot more relevant and appropirate to do the second.

The Nuremberg trials weren't legitimate because the courts were not in place, neither were the laws....pretty much as it would be with Iraq Courts judging Saddam.

So why should this new country judge him, and not a International court to which he actually would belong?

Originally posted by PVS
what a cop out
no game at all WD, unless you consider hitting the "quote" button is some underhanded trick. watch, i'll do it again:

that fact is you wont respond because you know you are in the wrong.

anyway:

you're response that respecting law equals sympathising with saddam was legitimate? then perhaps you can explain why? or perhaps you can go on calling the reality of what you said one of my "tricks" 🙄

its not our place to punish saddam. it is the right of the free© iraqi people.
america has no right to try, judge, sentence and ESPECIALLY torture him.
now iraqis...thats a whole other story.

There you go again quoting according to your gimmicks. You don't bother quoting my direct point:

"Kurds should also get a piece of the guy."

"..we should turn him over to the Kurds."

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
There you go again quoting according to your gimmicks. You don't bother quoting my direct point:

these "gimmicks" are of your imagination.
you concluded that i sympathise with hussein after i simply
stated the the U.S. has no right to torture him.

call it what you want, but spare me the "heads up" and all your baseless accusations of trickery. 😬

My basic point still stands. Hand him over to the Kurds.

I won't call it what I want...I call it as I see it. Glad we're coming to an agreement. I lay off any accusations and you lay off your gimmicks with me. Fair trade....

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
My basic point still stands. Hand him over to the Kurds.

I won't call it what I want...I call it as I see it. Glad we're coming to an agreement. I lay off any accusations and you lay off your gimmicks with me. Fair trade....

yeah sure...gimmicks. of which will not be explained but i should just accept as reality...because you said so. whatever.

but anyway, we are both in off-topic land aren't we. maybe you should PM me sometime and list these gimmicks so that i may improve my posting method to your level of greatness.

kill the bastard,but our government has no intention of doing any harm to him,they like him.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
After the Americans beat the shit outta him we should turn him over to the Kurds. Yeah! that would be justice enough.

I don't get this mentality. American's endorsing abuse and torture? Maybe it's that mentality that people see and despise, being as american soldiers are actually guilty of those exact actions during this whole campaign.

WD, you have a warped sense of justice.

Also, accusing PVS of any type of Gimmickry is out of order. He quoted what you said and commented on it.

Whether you feel it is not the point you were trying to get across is irrelevant. The fact that you said,"After the Americans beat the shit outta him" and that PVS commented on it is totally valid.

You said something that many find offensive, or senseless, or just silly, you do see that right?

Anyhow, back to the topic, I find it amusing that americans are so interested in bringing justice to Saddam and yet ignore other politicians and warlords throughout the world who are just as bad if not worse.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I don't get this mentality. American's endorsing abuse and torture? Maybe it's that mentality that people see and despise, being as american soldiers are actually guilty of those exact actions during this whole campaign.

WD, you have a warped sense of justice.

Also, accusing PVS of any type of Gimmickry is out of order. He quoted what you said and commented on it.

Whether you feel it is not the point you were trying to get across is irrelevant. The fact that you said,"After the Americans beat the shit outta him" and that PVS commented on it is totally valid.

You said something that many find offensive, or senseless, or just silly, you do see that right?

How long have you holding this back Kharma Dog? You just got stuck to the first comment and not even address my second one about the kurds.

your comment on the kurds makes your statement no less absurd....sorry

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
How long have you holding this back Kharma Dog?

Actually, I just got online, don't be so defensive.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You just got stuck to the first comment and not even address my second one about the kurds.

Because your first comment was so ridiculous that it overshadowed the Kurd comment, which is equally ridiculous. By that mentality, do you feel it is justified that George Bush be judged and sentenced by the Iraqi civilians of who's deaths he is responsible?

Originally posted by PVS
your comment on the kurds makes your statement no less absurd....sorry

I stop giving you attention right about here...

but anyway, we are both in off-topic land aren't we. maybe you should PM me sometime and list these gimmicks so that i may improve my posting method to your level of greatness."

Playing your sarcasm card is also pointless PVS. Just let it go...is not that hard.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Actually, I just got online, don't be so defensive.

Because your first comment was so ridiculous that it overshadowed the Kurd comment, which is equally ridiculous. By that mentality, do you feel it is justified that George Bush be judged and sentenced by the Iraqi civilians of who's deaths he is responsible?

I don't care when you got online you been waiting to snap at me sometime. You can drop the drama with me. Should Bush be judged by the victims of the Iraq war? Fine by me! What? were you expecting me to get all defensive about our President? No...way wrong dude, I give Bush his props and cons...I play the equal card. Unlike you with your "Americans here...Americans there" attitude and your threads about American News articles I'm not bias and I don't think my country is the greatest.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I stop giving attention right about here...

ironic that you replied then...dont you think?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf

Playing your sarcasm card is also pointless PVS. Just let it go...is not that hard.

that was not sarcasm. that was an observation on your point of torturing saddam hussein, and THEN giving him to the kurds. on topic, yet here you are playing the 'at the man' game. nice 👆

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I don't care when you got online you been waiting to snap at me sometime. You can drop the drama with me.

It is you that is guilty of the drama. And don't flatter yourself WD. You know that I think you are not that great of mod, I believe you play favorites and don't practice what you preach. But none of that matters. IF I were "waiting to snap" I could have done it many times before, I just passed a comment on what you said, you ensued with the drama.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Should Bush be judged by the victims of the Iraq war? Fine by me! What? were you expecting me to get all defensive about our President?

I was not "expecting" anything at all. I was just making a comment. You are looking defensive and ridiculous.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
No...way wrong dude, I give Bush his props and cons...I play the equal card. Unlike you with your "Americans here...Americans there" attitude and your threads about American News articles I'm not bias and I don't think my country is the greatest.

That's fine that you feel you are bias. But it is amusing that you try to paint me with an anti-american brush. Many members will vouch that although I am not fond of your current administration, I have no ill will to americans as a whole or america itself.

And is there anything wrong with posting threads about american news articles? What the h*ll are you trying to get at?

Stop trying to cast stones where they need not be cast. If you have an issue with what I said, than respond to what I said. If you have an issue with me, then pm me.