how ca you prove that he is one of the best? he always loses man you really love him that much? looked at him recently? sabretooth beated him like a dog every issue in the last 2 years in wolverine comics and at the recent ultimate x-men daredevil took him out, aolmost every street leveler took him out, but somehow wolverine is stil the best there is ? Lol 😆 , even beast beated him
Originally posted by red sabre
doint look at bios forget them for a second, the comics is what you need to look at, did you see wolverine win a good fight recently? did you see something that justifys all that the bios say about him? expert in h2h combat? then why does he always gets stubbed or slashed or burned and in every songle fight he needs his healing factor? if he is a martial arts master, daredevil doesnt get that much trouble in the fights yes he is a good fighter, wolverine always gets kicked all over and depends on his healing factor only
depends on how stupid the writer is.
and yes, he has come to rely on his healing factor, but why shouldn't he? it is his gift. Silver Samurai almost decapitated him but for the adamantium, also stabbed him through.
Daredevil is proficient in the martial arts. He was trained by Stick. He is practicaly a ninja. Didn't he work for the Hand once? I don't remember. But, Daredevil can certainly hold his own in a fight. But, this thread is not about DD...
And sometimes Wolverine is just lazy. Why fight when no normal person can kill you? Adamantium and claws handles everything. He might just save the real skill for real threats.
Originally posted by red sabreWHO was impervious to harm and had equal fighting skill with logan, AND had super strength, super speed, super fast reflexes, AND WAS a telepath... AND beat down elektra like it was a joke.. AND logan was still holding his own.... yeah great example... 🙄
man if i has a scanner i would show you fights that really shames him, the gorgon
Originally posted by red sabre
elektra
Originally posted by red sabrein a "fight" where logan was only supposed to keep DD occupied long enough to capture elektra...in a fight where he was sliing DD up until matt GOT LUCKY... EXTREMELY LUCKY in a great instance of ambigous PIS....
daredevil
Originally posted by red sabre
in wolverine punisher
Originally posted by red sabre
some guy with a stick beated him
if not.. who are you reffering to?
Originally posted by red sabre
and then 6 man beated him,
Originally posted by red sabreCause in astonishing whedon admitedly writes wolverine like he does jane from firefly... AS A COMIC RELIEF....
in astonishing x-men he always got his ass kicked ,
Originally posted by red sabre🤨
in the new avengers spider-women almost killed him,
Originally posted by red sabre
you see once he was great and i loved him, but today at present time everybody is beating the hell out of him even nick fury,
that wasn't canon.. it doesn't count...
Originally posted by red sabre
and recently sabretooth beats him over and over and over in the wolverine issues so really you cant say that he is great,
Originally posted by red sabre
i always see him jumps into the fight and always the enamy blows him away , even beast owned him in astonishing x-men #3
that fight was a stailmate until emma broke it up... there was no winner... whatsoever.. 🤨
the one fight they did finish ended with beast gutted in the first and only panal of the fight... 😕
Originally posted by red sabre
how ca you prove that he is one of the best? he always loses man you really love him that much? looked at him recently? sabretooth beated him like a dog every issue in the last 2 years in wolverine comics and at the recent ultimate x-men daredevil took him out, aolmost every street leveler took him out, but somehow wolverine is stil the best there is ? Lol 😆 , even beast beated him
now what's wrong with Beast?
In a basketball game, Beast dribled up, over, around, and under Gambit, who has super agility as well.
nick fury doesnt count why? you decide what counts and whats not? whenever wolverine wins that counts but when someone weak beating him like a god it doeasnt count? you said ohhh elektra is at high fighting level well thats right i thought your saying that wolverine is the best there is? so whats the problem? cant he fight the best fighters? daredevil won many times onse in the daredevil old comics, then he was after punisher and just pressed wolverine on weak points and wolverine was done,and in enamy of state daredevil didnt want to fight wolverine even but in the end knocked him out,6 man beated him in the wolverine punisher issues if you didnt got to see it then its not my problem sorry,dont remember who was the guy but he had just a stick and beated wolverines ass, with spider-women where was wolverine great sense? he had the element of surprise and stil lost if not the healing factor he could die ( my point why he is not one of the best fighters),beast amashed wolverines head into a wall and was on top of him i can say that he did a good job it just shows you how clumsy wolverine is as a fighter,so you say that some writers doesnt count, why? because you dont like them? you decide whats true and whats not? your a funny man , you say that gorgon is too much so you admit that wolverine cant play with the big boys
Originally posted by red sabre
nick fury doesnt count why? you decide what counts and whats not? whenever wolverine wins that counts but when someone weak beating him like a god it doeasnt count? you said ohhh elektra is at high fighting level well thats right i thought your saying that wolverine is the best there is? so whats the problem? cant he fight the best fighters? daredevil won many times onse in the daredevil old comics, then he was after punisher and just pressed wolverine on weak points and wolverine was done,and in enamy of state daredevil didnt want to fight wolverine even but in the end knocked him out,6 man beated him in the wolverine punisher issues if you didnt got to see it then its not my problem sorry,dont remember who was the guy but he had just a stick and beated wolverines ass, with spider-women where was wolverine great sense? he had the element of surprise and stil lost if not the healing factor he could die ( my point why he is not one of the best fighters),beast amashed wolverines head into a wall and was on top of him i can say that he did a good job it just shows you how clumsy wolverine is as a fighter,so you say that some writers doesnt count, why? because you dont like them? you decide whats true and whats not? your a funny man , you say that gorgon is too much so you admit that wolverine cant play with the big boys
from this i think you are taking the "He is the best at what he does" title literally. THERE ARE PEOPLE BETTER OR EQUAL TO WOLVERINE!!!!! just wanted to clear that up.
As for the writers, well yeah, i don't like some of them. but that is because they write blatent inconsistencies in the comics. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that some writers write stupid. for instance, Weapon omega, or wild child, has a healing factor. But when Sabertooth rips his throat out he doesn't heal.
Originally posted by red sabre
in x-men 168 wolverine attacked gambit and gambit stroke him in the throat and grabed his head gambit didnt want to fight wolverine and wolverine wanted and stil gambit treated him like wolverine was a child
that staff is adamantium. ow, i'm not surprised. Gambit could kill him.
Wolverine would beat beast even without his claws come on guys screw the movie u know the truth wolverine is a KILLER while henry hank mcoy doesnt even in the level of Wolverine's fighting ability. Goddamn movies screw things up first of all MAGNETO DOESNT USE A ****IN HELICOPTER HE USES THE AVALON man when I saw the scene in which magneto rides a chopper man it pissed me off goddamn I hate the marvel movies
Originally posted by JohnnyDo3
Wolverine would beat beast even without his claws come on guys screw the movie u know the truth wolverine is a KILLER while henry hank mcoy doesnt even in the level of Wolverine's fighting ability. Goddamn movies screw things up first of all MAGNETO DOESNT USE A ****IN HELICOPTER HE USES THE AVALON man when I saw the scene in which magneto rides a chopper man it pissed me off goddamn I hate the marvel movies
nobodies talking about the movie. this is comics. if it was movie characters it would be "Movie Beast vs. Movie Wolverine."
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Originally posted by red sabre
gambit didnt use the stuff just his hands a pure fighting skills
cool. i'm not sure what form Gambit uses, but he's a martial artist as well. no where near Logan, i have to say. see what i mean about stupid writers. Can take on Hulk and Wendigo but can't fight Gambit h2h.
when wolverine fought beast in wolverine #162 vol2 beast was too fast an agile for him wolverine was trying to hit beast but couldnt and he says to himself i fogot how fast hanck is and beast grabbed wolverine with his feet and threw him into a car and then wolverine cutted beast with his claws but that was beasts ape form, the cat form is stronger faster better
Originally posted by red sabre
nick fury doesnt count why? you decide what counts and whats not? whenever wolverine wins that counts but when someone weak beating him like a god it doeasnt count?
no.. it doesn't count cuase it didn't happen in 616... it happened in a fabricated universe where spiderman was pretending to be a mutant.. NOT 616... i could start bringing up what if issues to prove points on how wolverine can kill hulk.. but it doesn't count cuase it's not 616.. it's not canon material....
Originally posted by red sabre
you said ohhh elektra is at high fighting level well thats right i thought your saying that wolverine is the best there is? so whats the problem?
I also siad there were other circumstances that put her at an advantage against wolverie.. guess you skipped through those... 🙄
and uh no.. I didn't say he was the best there is... obviously you think a lot of things.. 😂... what I said was: he's got better fighting ability than beast.. you said he doesn't have that good of fighting ability.. obviously that's not true considering every stat sheet that was ever made, or the fact that wolverine's kicked the ass of half the damned marvel universe..
Originally posted by red sabresure he can.. and he's beaten plenty of them.. you're just ignoring the times he has...
cant he fight the best fighters?
Originally posted by red sabre
daredevil won many times onse in the daredevil old comics, then he was after punisher and just pressed wolverine on weak points and wolverine was done,and in enamy of state daredevil didnt want to fight wolverine even but in the end knocked him out,
no he hasn't.. he's beaten logan a total of twice.. once was during the punisher run by garth ennis.. if you think ennis is a credible writer than you have less credibility on these forums than he does.. the second time he was losing and then got EXTREMELY LUCKY... funny how when he tried to fight a wolverine that wasn't being mind controlled he ended up in a full nelson after 3 panals... 🙄
Originally posted by red sabreagain.. was it stick? cause if it was you should probably never bring that up again as proof that "some guy" can beat wolverine.. stick is FARRRR from "some guy"...
6 man beated him in the wolverine punisher issues if you didnt got to see it then its not my problem sorry,dont remember who was the guy but he had just a stick and beated wolverines ass,
Originally posted by red sabreprobably right there with his assumption that jess was a friend and ally and wasn't about to do that...
with spider-women where was wolverine great sense?
Originally posted by red sabre
he had the element of surprise and stil lost if not the healing factor he could die
Originally posted by red sabre
( my point why he is not one of the best fighters),
and you've failed to prove it.. for every one or two bad feats you can bring up about wolverine I can bring up 5 good ones that contradict it..
Originally posted by red sabreor rather how bad his fighting ability can suffer when he's fighting a friend...
beast amashed wolverines head into a wall and was on top of him i can say that he did a good job it just shows you how clumsy wolverine is as a fighter,
Originally posted by red sabre
so you say that some writers doesnt count, why?
I didn't say that in my last post.. but non 616 events Don't count for 616 debates.. like when you keep using ultimate incarnations to prove a point.. ultimate is not 616 hence it's not useable...
but garth ennis.. yes his writing truly should not count.. if you'd like to learn why PM me about it and I'll tell you...
Originally posted by red sabredid i say gorgon was too much? funny I don't recall saying that.. i said wolverine could hold his own.. but gorgon being too much? oh that's right I don't remember saying that cause I DIDN'T say it... besides how does gorgon being able to overcome wolverine mean that wolverine can't play in the big leagues? 🤨
because you dont like them? you decide whats true and whats not? your a funny man , you say that gorgon is too much so you admit that wolverine cant play with the big boys
Originally posted by red sabre
in x-men 168 wolverine attacked gambit and gambit stroke him in the throat and grabed his head gambit didnt want to fight wolverine and wolverine wanted and stil gambit treated him like wolverine was a child
see this is what I mean.. you have ONE decent example of something and you think that takes precidence over multiple examples of wolverine owning gambit.. or gambit having to resort to jumping wolverine just to stay competetive.
Originally posted by red sabre
when wolverine fought beast in wolverine #162 vol2 beast was too fast an agile for him wolverine was trying to hit beast but couldnt and he says to himself i fogot how fast hanck is and beast grabbed wolverine with his feet and threw him into a car and then wolverine cutted beast with his claws but that was beasts ape form, the cat form is stronger faster better
exactly. in ape-like form he was good agility and class 10 strength.
Cat form: more of the same, times like 10 or something.
What's this talk of "Lion form" though? Apparently giving him class 30 strength?
Originally posted by red sabre
well maybe this is his real strenght? maybe the idiot writer is the one that wrote that wolverine can fight the hulk? i mean everybody showing wolverine as a not really strong fighter but he shows that wolverine can fight the hulk? maybe he is the stupid writer?
the guy who created wolverine is a stupid writer in your opinion?