beast vs wolverine

Started by red sabre9 pages

ok so you count only the 616 univurse thats fine, so you admit that elektra is better fighter then wolverine, kicked the ass of half marvel? and yet for every one he kicked he got 10 more that kicked him, i dont care who wrote that , daredevil beated him end of story, i dont know whos stick but that was a guy with a freaking stick naybe he wanted to shove it up his ass i dont know but he had a stick thats it, admit it she was just faster, did the comics says that when wolverine tried to attack her he was disrucked by her feremones? no... so thats something that you made up in your mind, the fact that she grabed him and stucked his claws up his throat is enough to show that she is faster and got better skills then he does, and if they wasnt stopped how do you know that he was going to beat her? maybe she would beat him again?failed to prove that he is not one of the best? look at all his lost, he lost to every street leveler almost, gorgon is really strong so if wolverine cant dance with him then he really cant go against the big guns such as hulk thing and others if the gorgon made him eat crap, his fighting suffered when he was fighting friend? again who says that? you? wolverine was the one that wanted to fight beast, beast didnt want to fight him but wolverine was cocky and started to attack so wolverine really wanted to fight , beast was the one that didnt want to fight a friend and stil won , by the way they were many times where people didnt want to fight wolverine but stil beating his ass even when he is mad, gambit,beast,daredevil for example, overall wolverine had some wins and some losts but in the recent times he just loses loses and again loses, in the past he fought sabretooth and they were equal ( sabretooth was better littlebit) ye i know sabretooth got an upgrade but still he wipes the floors with wolverine like wilverine is a toy, recently i stoped getting the wolverine issues because i am sick and tired to see him losing to everybody

Two things ...

Wolverine did not master every fighting style. Due to his extensive training as a CIA operative, a Samurai, and as a member of the Weapon X program, Wolverine is a master of several forms of martial arts, weapons, and vehicles. He is also a trained expert in computers, explosives, and assassination techniques.

and the Beast has fighting experance whyle doing triple duty As an Avenger, Defender, and X-Man . so Beast has plenty of fighting experance as well.

yes but wolverine is over 100 yers and he learned everything before beast was born

Wolverine's fought beast, ad it was kind if a draw but wolverine did pretty well.

draw? beased knocked wolverines head into a wall and was on top of him, draw? ok

no she didn't... sure she stuck his claws in his throat after attacking him when he had no intention of harming her.... but he looked far from "almost killed" to me.. especially given the fact that he was about to gut the crap out of her two seconds later...

that is pure crap. she had him beat, and coulda finished him but she stopped when she realized he was helpless .

but whats really cant get out of my mind is that in wolverine #1 vol3 he was stabbed by some gang ? come on this is wolverine!!! on of the best fighters in the world got stubbed by some street gang

complexbrother i like you it seems that your the only one for now here that see things as they are

^^^^ Thank you .

Originally posted by red sabre
yes but wolverine is over 100 yers and he learned everything before beast was born

age isn't everything otherwise Spiderman would loose all the time to the Vulture, or Silvermane.

Puck would loose to the Master

Batman would loose to Ra's Al Goul

Superman would loose to Mongol

Dr. Strange would loose to Dormammu

and many others

Originally posted by red sabre
draw? beased knocked wolverines head into a wall and was on top of him, draw? ok

No it was another fight

i am not talking just about age , wolverine was trained in martial arts all the time for all those years plus he fought, beast fought too but he didnt get any fighting leasons, he doesnt know martial arts, he uses his own style acrobatic style, he also knows pressure points, but he didnt got any fighting skills, but he can stil take wolverine he is much faster and stronger and what can i say, the comics shows it all, in wolverine #162 wolverine barely touched him, but in his new form he is better, in astonishing x-men #3 beast got wolverines ass, in wolverine #25 vol3 wolverine beats beast in his new lion form with just one stubb, but i stil say that beast can take him out

Originally posted by red sabre
so you admit that elektra is better fighter then wolverine,

no i said she beat him because of outside circumstances.. and she did.. you need to start reading and comprehending what I'm actually putting down instead of what you THINK I'm saying....

Originally posted by red sabre
kicked the ass of half marvel?

pretty much.. pis or not..

Originally posted by red sabre
and yet for every one he kicked he got 10 more that kicked him,
no he hasn't.. wolverine's got a winning record according to marvel... and more than half the times he IS beaten it's because of outside circumstances.. I've rarely seen him defeated straight up... there's a reason for that.

Originally posted by red sabre
i dont care who wrote that , daredevil beated him end of story,
yeah he nearly Koed him with a throught chop.. funny how in that same arch wolverine took a rocket that disintigrated his entire torso and legs area and remained concious.. AND STANDING 🤨 funny how he got ran over by a steam roller and remained concious.. how he got his face shot off and still fought, how hulk punched him accross a state line and he hopped the next train back into town immediately after landing.. All in the same arc by the same writer.. but hey you don't care who wrote it... GARTH ENNIS.. is a hack plain and simple.. and an EXTREMELY bias one at that... yeah DD beat him... I'm not gonna deny that it happened.. but it's hardly the standard considering the writer as well as 90% of wolverine's other feats.. (in that arc alone)

Originally posted by red sabre
i dont know whos stick

then you know jack shit about daredevil and I question why you keep bring DD up...

Originally posted by red sabre
but that was a guy with a freaking stick naybe he wanted to shove it up his ass i dont know but he had a stick thats it, admit it she was just faster, did the comics says that when wolverine tried to attack her he was disrucked by her feremones?
it's an established power.. she said she does it when threatened.. obviously she felt threatened by wolverine since she attacked him.. yeah she was faster.. cause he turned to get the jump on wolverine when wolverine had no intention of fighting a friend.. funny how you don't remember what happened two seconds later as she was at logans mercy.. or the fact that when she was possessed by a demon and had a WAY better fighting ability she still lost to wolverine..
or the fact that wolverine pwned her again before he married viper...
but hey you've got your one worthless example.. 😉 pffft...

Originally posted by red sabre
no... so thats something that you made up in your mind, the fact that she grabed him and stucked his claws up his throat is enough to show that she is faster and got better skills then he does,

established power.. 🙄 she's faster when attacking a wolverine who's not looking for a fight.. and no it doesn't show that she has better fighting skills.. it was hardly a fight.. it was her catching wolverine by surprise and then being rendered at his mercy two panals later..

Originally posted by red sabre
and if they wasnt stopped how do you know that he was going to beat her?
the fact that he was about to kill her was a pretty good indication.. the fact that he's beaten her several times in the pas is also a pretty decent indication...

Originally posted by red sabre
maybe she would beat him again?

again? she hasn't beaten him a first time...

Originally posted by red sabre
failed to prove that he is not one of the best? look at all his lost, he lost to every street leveler almost,
no he hasn't... in wolverine 134 wolverine downs nearly 20 street level heroes in one night.. like i said.. the times he's lost straight up are few and far between.. street levels do beat him.. but not without help of some sort...

Originally posted by red sabre
gorgon is really strong so if wolverine cant dance with him then he really cant go against the big guns such as hulk thing and others if the gorgon made him eat crap,
what? again you're rationale is for crap...
gorgon is more skilled than hulk, gorgon uses swords to hurt wolverine not brute force, gorgon is impervious to harm, hulk isn't... gorgon has faster reflexes hulk doesn't... gorgon IS A DAMNED TELEPATH hulk isn't... they're not comparible.. this is probably the worst abc comparison I've ever seen...

Originally posted by red sabre
his fighting suffered when he was fighting friend? again who says that? you?

no.. wolverine comics say that.. read some, you might learn something..
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4731780

Originally posted by red sabre
wolverine was the one that wanted to fight beast,
it wasn't really about fighting beast as much as it was about stopping beat from using that serym..

Originally posted by red sabre
beast didnt want to fight him but wolverine was cocky and started to attack so wolverine really wanted to fight , beast was the one that didnt want to fight a friend and stil won ,
bullshit... they were both ready for a fight before the fight started, both had something to fight for.. and again.. beast DID NOT WIN.. it was a stalemate.. you wanna talk winning? how about when wolvie downed him in one panal.. funny how you keep ignoring this every time I bring it up...

Originally posted by red sabre
by the way they were many times where people didnt want to fight wolverine but stil beating his ass even when he is mad, gambit,,
bull gambit's started more fights with wolverine than the other way around..

Originally posted by red sabre
beast,,
also bull as I just discussed...

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Originally posted by red sabre
daredevil for example,

bad example as I've also explained.. you keep retreated to past points I've already debated against.. yawn

Originally posted by red sabre
overall wolverine had some wins and some losts but in the recent times he just loses loses and again loses,

what are you talking about? 🤨

recently wolverine's shredded iron man, stabbed thing, scewered namor, snikted spiderman, and ran down mandarin.. his pro-wolvie feats have gotten more abundant if anything.. you've obviously been reading way too much astonishing...

Originally posted by red sabre
in the past he fought sabretooth and they were equal ( sabretooth was better littlebit)[/QUOTE

no they weren't.. not even close. in their first fight they ever had wolverie says how he realized how completely outclassed he was.. the fact that sabretooth shows up and beats wolverine down every year for his birthday says something as well.

[QUOTE=6651595]Originally posted by red sabre
ye i know sabretooth got an upgrade but still he wipes the floors with wolverine like wilverine is a toy,


he used to do that BEFORE upgrades.. why should that change after?
Originally posted by red sabre
recently i stoped getting the wolverine issues because i am sick and tired to see him losing to everybody
millar didn't do a good job on wolverine.. and whedon treats wolverine as comedy relief.. he's admitted it... you should pick up more recent books. hell in new avengers who was it that landed the most significant hits on wrecker.. it sure as hell wasn't the other avengers I'll tell you that...

wolverine 162 that was it. Wolverine slashed beast with his claws, if beast hadn't had a healing factor...well we wouldn't have a popular blue and furry character around on the x-men.

Originally posted by steverules
wolverine 162 that was it. Wolverine slashed beast with his claws, if beast hadn't had a healing factor...well we wouldn't have a popular blue and furry character around on the x-men.
Nightcrawler?

Everyone talks about how Much Wolverine is. All he has is the ferocity of a wild bear-dog or a Wolverine in human form.
Beast has the agility of a Great Ape in Human form or a close proximity of it anyhow.
Sure Wolverine is an excellent fighter. He knows how to kill too.
Beast outweighs Wolverine in the brains department by loads.
Sometimes brains really can make the difference. Imagine Wolverine going up against Mr. Fantastic.
However Beast isn't just an acrobat. He's as wild an animal or more so than Wolverine seeing as how Wolvies struggle is more internal and the Beast is a complete extrovert.
Maybe because Beast is my favorite comic character that I think he's the better fighter. I like the way he looks even better than that guy who has that Shield.
I mean he could balance on his finger tips and play piano with his toes.
he must have some deadly strikes to match.

you just say the same thing over and over and over again , i will make it short and simple, you got facts, now if you had i dont know something else in your head beside wolverine fanboysm you would see that iam saying since i got to this forum today one thing, that once wolverine was great, all the examples you gave to me are from past, yes once he was great he was my favorite and i could say that he is one of the best, but today thats what bugging me, today he is a shame all the fights that he won are from the past, and all his loses are in the recent days

Originally posted by Wonder Man
Everyone talks about how Much Wolverine is. All he has is the ferocity of a wild bear-dog or a Wolverine in human form.
Beast has the agility of a Great Ape in Human form or a close proximity of it anyhow.
Sure Wolverine is an excellent fighter. He knows how to kill too.
Beast outweighs Wolverine in the brains department by loads.
Sometimes brains really can make the difference. Imagine Wolverine going up against Mr. Fantastic.
However Beast isn't just an acrobat. He's as wild an animal or more so than Wolverine seeing as how Wolvies struggle is more internal and the Beast is a complete extrovert.
Maybe because Beast is my favorite comic character that I think he's the better fighter. I like the way he looks even better than that guy who has that Shield.
I mean he could balance on his finger tips and play piano with his toes.
he must have some deadly strikes to match.

the fact that you think beast is a better fighter is just... wrong... wrong.. wrong... sorry.. but.. wrong.. ❌.

and that's exactly the sterioptypical wolverine crap that I'm talking about.. wolverine has all of his memories back now.. he hasn't had to worry about berserker rages since apoc put his admantium back in him, and if he did unleash the beast in himself.. the real beast would be boned with a capital B... wolverine enhances everything when in a real berserker rage including skill... saying "he's just blah blah" is a HUGE copout IMO. But I respect the fact that he's your favorite character.. so i'll let these shortcomings slide.....

for now 😏

ye but when it comes to beasts ape form a never saw him winning any fight at all in his ape form he just lost

Originally posted by Darth Martin
he has 30ton class, super agility and speed.

What the f*ck are you smokin dude. 🤨 Beast is a class 2 character, hell no he's class 30.

jinzin i can see that your really cocky how old are you? and where are you from?