Lemme say this. Batdude......Darkies losses to the S still stand. Retcons work only on things up to that point. They don't work beyond. They aren't proactive. Only retroactive.
Darkseid should win a large majority, until we see how powerful the new Surfer actually is. In respect to what Darkseid was and still should be, at least to superheroes, i'll give him a 9 outta ten. The one is for when Surfer reflects the OE back at him.
i dont see how the oe can keep up with surfer, and surfer is better than darky at everything, but surfer cant use the oe, so if thats the arguements, then whats thhe point, darky doesnt use the oe all the time. and surfer could blasts darky and follow up with a punch to put dark out. surfer can reflect the blast back too.
Again, at one time, I would have said Darkseid 9/10. But Darkseid has lost to Superman twice. I'm thinking Surfer could pull the "Reflect and hit 'Seid with his own beams" trick better than Supes. Hence, I would pump Surfer's odds up to 3/10.
Now... Spoilers below
I'd give the Silver Surfer 4/10. That's right; based on his recent upgrade from Galactus himself, I'm thinking the Surfer will be pushing into Darkseid's "weight" class. At the very least, I think he could fight 'Seid better than Supes.
Originally posted by cheap cabbageWrong, as I recall who reflected the ob back to darkseid? It sure wasn't Superman
Darkseid jobs for one man and one man only. Silver surfer's name is not Kal-El. He is not kryptonian. Does not wear the greatest "S" ever concieved on his chest. Darkseid turns SS into ash.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Wrong, as I recall who reflected the ob back to darkseid? It sure wasn't Superman
Well, those braclets are completely indestructable. It's like Cap's shield. Nothing is getting past them. But then I recall Superman grabbing that whore of a superhero and chucking her out of the barn. He then proceeded to beat darkseid into a bloody stain on his fist. WW was didn't do anything else in that issue. I'm sure DS wound have spanked her like the bondage loving whore she is.
Originally posted by bigbran
didnt doomsday also hit it back at darky.
No, he just took a few omega beams hits. He never did take the full power blast though. He beat the shit out of DS before he could fire them off. That doomsday was unbeatable anyway. Superman amped on motherbox still got the ever living shit kicked out of him. They had to kill him with the end of time.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
I doubt Darkseid will ever be at the level of power that he was before and I don't think the jobbing only extends to Superman. Surfer can always take him to the sun seeing how he didn't seem to like it anyway. I think we have yet to see the full extent of Darkseids jobbing.
Surfer does not get more powerful as he nears the sun. That's how superman owned his ass. When DS doesn't job, he doesn't run out and try to beat SS down with his fists (though he is basically thanos and thanos beat SS to death). He sends his army, his death rays, his fleet, he hits him with omega beams. Hell if you count the FF crossover he had, a bunch of his parademons beat down a herald of galactus.
When was that, as I recall the parademons along with orion got their asses handed to them. When I mentioned the sun, I meant how Darkseid seemed to be weakening the closer they got despite supes getting stronger. And actually, I have a comic where surfer can use energy source like that to boost the power cosmic.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
When was that, as I recall the parademons along with orion got their asses handed to them. When I mentioned the sun, I meant how Darkseid seemed to be weakening the closer they got despite supes getting stronger. And actually, I have a comic where surfer can use energy source like that to boost the power cosmic.
Darkseid weakening would be because of superman breaking his arm and caving in his face. You'd get weaker too if superman was beating the crap out of you near the sun. But like I said, DS didn't even bother to fire the omega beams. If he had bothered, superman would have been toast. I have no doubt SS could amp himself until he could beat down darkseid, but he wouldn't get the chance. SS will be too busy getting shot at by an entire planet geared for war + (you guessed it) OMEGA BEAMS!!!
Originally posted by Big Sexy
I agree that Darkseid might win the problem with the OB is I have seen Superman out run them and he wasn't even going at lightspeed. Surfer however can fly at 100-200 times lightspeed.
Alright, I'll give that one to you. For beams, they don't go light speed. I never got that either. I suppose it's the only way the writers could illustrate that the beams can turn and stuff. But surfer's been slowed down and reeled by massive energy attacks. I think planet apokolips counts as a massive energy source. So while SS is staggering from all the fire, OBs come in for the kill. It takes a while (for reasons beyond me) for SS to "adjust" to an energy onslaught and absorb/reflect/blow the crap out of who's shooting at him.