River Tam vs. Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Started by redhotrash4 pages

Buffy has caught and avoided arrows, defeated multiple armed attackers, and reguarly (at least 3+ times a season) has defeated global threats. Not to mention she has a low to mid level healing ability.
Buffy has like 9 seasons of showings, plus whats going on in her comic. River had like half of 1 movie, and spent her entire show freaking out and had maybe 1 half showing (shooting people with her eyes closed)

Buffy was only on for 7 seasons.

Doh, my bad, as I was saying, she has 7 seasons of showings vs River's 1 movie. Not to mention the telepathy was never really stated and everyone is just assuming she had full control over it.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Buffy has caught and avoided arrows, defeated multiple armed attackers, and reguarly (at least 3+ times a season) has defeated global threats. Not to mention she has a low to mid level healing ability.
Buffy has like 9 seasons of showings, plus whats going on in her comic. River had like half of 1 movie, and spent her entire show freaking out and had maybe 1 half showing (shooting people with her eyes closed)
The vast majority of those 'showings' include her brawling with very little actual martial arts skill. What scenes showed her using weapons included even less martial arts skill. Buffy takes frequent hits and relies on her great strength to carry her through battles involving people who also take frequent hits in return. This tactic does not work against River Tam.

Unfortunately, as Mythbusters has shown us, catching an arrow in flight is not an act of great agility but an act of great strength and thus tells us nothing more than we already know: Buffy is incredibly strong.

Buffy's ability to defeat global threats is not relevant to this discussion. We are not asking River Tam to defeat a global threat, or save countless millions, only to defeat Buffy.

And the majority of River's very appearances are her hiding, screaming, and overall acting like the typical damsel in distress. Im really not sure how dodging or catching arrows is not a sign of agility, but if myth busters says so, it must be true.
Lets ignore her fighting blindfolded. Or her latent healing ability. Or her uncanny ability at throwing various weapons. Why not also disregard that in a couple of weeks she was able to train a large group of completely inexperienced teenaged girls into slayers capable of fighting demons in a hell dimension. Yeah screw all that. Instead lets focus on basically 2 fights of River's. One in which she beat up a bunch of people in a bar, many of which were trying to avoid the fight altogether, and the other where she took out mindless savages, some of which were unarmed.

good ol joss whedon: making his women strong when they're really not.

Originally posted by redhotrash
And the majority of River's very appearances are her hiding, screaming, and overall acting like the typical damsel in distress. Im really not sure how dodging or catching arrows is not a sign of agility, but if myth busters says so, it must be true.
Lets ignore her fighting blindfolded. Or her latent healing ability. Or her uncanny ability at throwing various weapons. Why not also disregard that in a couple of weeks she was able to train a large group of completely inexperienced teenaged girls into slayers capable of fighting demons in a hell dimension. Yeah screw all that. Instead lets focus on basically 2 fights of River's. One in which she beat up a bunch of people in a bar, many of which were trying to avoid the fight altogether, and the other where she took out mindless savages, some of which were unarmed.

Fighting Blindfolded is a useful ability, matched and exceeded by precognition which requires no sight to function. The latent healing ability is sufficient to give Buffy the edge against Tam in Hand to Hand combat, but insufficient in Weapon combat. Throwing various weapons is not relevant when Buffy cannot hit River Tam. Training large groups of people is not relevant to combat skills at all, and only relevant to leadership and the ability to effectively convey useful information.

We can gladly focus on each of River's fights, where she never took a single blow that threatened her, demonstrated actual martial arts capability (the same as the choreographer, specifically) and only became grabbed in situations where she was quite aware she would be unharmed.

Tam smashes, No Russian!