Originally posted by Lightsnake
Aren't hutts immune to mind tricks anyways?
Yes, they are. Hence they always drop the "I'm immune to your Jedi tricks" line, no matter if they agree or disagree with you.
@Kent:
He doesn't fail. It speaks volumes for his force knowledge
Wow. Because he can use some force persuation (which he can't) he must be able to overcome Yoda, Sidious or Dooku and Mace. Sure. The game mechanics also enable him to survive lightsaber hits without having body parts cut off. People can't defeat him in a lightsaber fight because of that, right ?
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Originally posted by Darth Findus
Revan is the strongest of them . On thousand years they go from Marka, Sadow and Kressh to Exar, Malak and Revan. Do exar have a chance at Marka Ragnos ? That was thousand years. From Revan to sidious is four thousand years. On thousand years they got mush weaker . this is 4 thousand years. Use your brain. revan is the stronger than yoda and sidious . mush stronger .
If thats true than Vodo>Yoda but thats WRONG 😠
Originally posted by Count Kent
Vodo>Yoda. That is definite.
I guess that's why Yoda is called the strongest force of light ever (meaning the strongest Jedi ever) at the time of ROTS, right ?
@Nai, the fact that he was able to force persuade a hutt, a species so strong willed that council members in the PT films believed it to be impossible. This suggests that Revan's willpower was immense.
The fact that Hutts are totally immune to force persuation (or the "Mind trick"😉 is a testament for Revan not being able to do this. I'm pretty sure that he always fails when he tries and if he didn't fail the makers of KotoR contradict ROTJ and Lucas directly which means - unfortunately for you - that they contradicted a far higher level of canon.
And if that's your only reason to rate Revan so high - you can drop that rating now.
Originally posted by Count Kent
It is believed by the jedi that Hutts were immune to mind tricks. KOTOR and numerous other sources dispute this.
No. Luke tries this against Jabba and fails. After this Jabba himself say that Hutts are immune to that stuff. And this little fact is also stated in the "New Essential Chronology", the "Galaxy Guide 4: Alien Races" (West End Games under licence of LFL) and of course the starwars.com Databank. That despite of the mentioning of the immunity in the films (highest level of canon).
So what other sources dispute this fact, huh ?
Originally posted by Count Kent
It doesn't contradict higher forms of canon, it disputes an in-universe belief. And who are you to say whether one source is a higher form of canon then another?
It disputes a direct quote from the films not contradicted in any other source. And I don't have to say what source is the higher level of canon because there is a "canon policy" given out by Lucasfilm and it says that Lucas own word > Films > Novels > Expanded Universe > Games.
And since the fact that Hutts are immune to force persuation or the "Mind trick" is given in the Films and in the Expanded Universe a game can't contradict it. Period.
And it is not a game mechanic. Both Revan and The Exile are able to do it in the novelisation as well.
Yes. It is a game mechanic because the KotoR games are based on RPG systems that deceide if a force action is sucessful or not. Game mechanics. And what novelisations are you talking about ? Count Kent's Great Revan Fanboy stories ?
Firstly, canon is a point of view and not clearly defined, so nobody can decide whether one source is a higher form of canon then another source.
Secondly, Hutts being immune to jedi mind tricks is an in-universe belief held by jedi such as Yoda, an infallible third party. KOTOR and other sources dispute this.
Thridly, there is a novelisation of KOTOR, as well as a comic, cartoon and a script which is available online for the said cartoon.;
Originally posted by Count Kent
Firstly, canon is a point of view and not clearly defined, so nobody can decide whether one source is a higher form of canon then another source.
Oh genious. Better keep your mouth shut when you know nothing about the topic you want to talk about.
Lucasfilm has any right to deceide on the canon levels of certain sources in the Star Wars universe because they own the universe. Understood it ?
Secondly, Hutts being immune to jedi mind tricks is an in-universe belief held by jedi such as Yoda, an infallible third party. KOTOR and other sources dispute this.
Wow genious. Luke tries to use the Jedi Mind trick on Jabba and fails - so obviously they are immune to that sort of force influence. And Jabba states himself that this is the case. Was he wrong about his own species or did Luke just fail because not beeing powerful enough ?
Thridly, there is a novelisation of KOTOR, as well as a comic, cartoon and a script which is available online for the said cartoon.;
Fan work ?
Originally posted by Count Kent
1. You need to understand the concept of canon.
2. It was believed that Hutts were immune to jedi mind tricks, however KOTOR disputes this. The jedi in the movies were clearly wrong, as were the hutts and were just not strong enough in the force.
3. Released by a sister company to Lucasarts.
1. No, the films are a much higher canon than anything else....
2. And why was it belived? Because it was tried and had failed. I remember them saying the same in KOTOR 2. And are you sure it is "force persuade" and not just persuade? I just looked at KOTOR, at the persuade skills it doesn't say "force" next to it either. And the text neraby it goes, "this helps you to convince someone or something by revealing maybe something that is very important to them. It might not be hard to convince a bounty hunter to get an increased charge, but it will be much harder to convince him to leave". It doesn't really say force anywhere, just how you talk smart...
Originally posted by Count Kent
1. You need to understand the concept of canon.
2. It was believed that Hutts were immune to jedi mind tricks, however KOTOR disputes this. The jedi in the movies were clearly wrong, as were the hutts and were just not strong enough in the force.
3. Released by a sister company to Lucasarts.
1. He understands it way better than you do. KMC's standing on canon is that the movies overrule everything else, sharing this view with George Lucas himself.
2. Hutts ARE immune to Mind Tricks. KOTOR's game mechanics mean nothing compared to a scene from Return of the Jedi.
3. ...so? Who cares?