Echuu-Shen Jon also tried to use mind trick on a Hutt, didn't work. Jabba cared only for one thing, power. He said himself that mind tricks doesn't work, why would he belive that about his own species if he didn't have proof?
And as I have said before, persuade in KOTOR means you talk the person into doing something, it doesn't necessarily have to mean you take over his mind with a mind trick. That is why there is another ability you can learn in KOTOR, called MIND TRICK....
And even IF the case was that Jabba were strong minded, then mabey the Hutt in KOTOR were so incredibley weak minded that Revan could take over his mind, which does not expand any of Revan's power a single bit....
Originally posted by Count Kent
1. You need to understand the concept of canon.
No. You need to understand the concept of canon. Lucasfilm has installed different levels of canon. In short:
G-Canon: Lucas own words, the movies, movie novelizations, scripts
C-Canon: Everything that is happening in the Expanded Universe (novels, comics, cartoons). Games and RPGs (this includes KotoR) are only rated C-Canon for the "canon" storyline (lightside for KotoR) and the background information given.
S-Canon: Story is considered not canon but the elements that don't contradict the higher levels (G and C) are considered canon.
N-Canon: Non-Canon.
2. It was believed that Hutts were immune to jedi mind tricks, however KOTOR disputes this. The jedi in the movies were clearly wrong, as were the hutts and were just not strong enough in the force.
And here the fun starts.
a) I checked the two scenes in KotoR and you can only use normal persuation against the Hutts - no force persuation. Even if it's possible to do this you will encounter problem "b"
b) The meeting with the Hutts isn't part of the official storyline since you don't need that meetings to solve the game - placing those meeting in the N-Canon department.
c) ROTJ (G-canon) as well as serveral C-Canon sources say that Hutts are immune to this particular Jedi power. And that's it.
3. Released by a sister company to Lucasarts.
A sister company of Lucas Arts. Hilarious. The only official KotoR comics I know are Crossroads, Commencement and Flashpoint. And I didn't see the Exile or Revan there. So what material are you talking about ?
And yes..."in universe beliefs" can be argued. The point is that this "in universe believe" is handed out as a fact in other material. And even if this won't be a fact you can't conclude anything out of the situation that Revan was able to use a Mind trick on a Hutt other that he possibly is more powerful then people who tried and failed at doing the same. That would be...ROTJ Luke ? Wow. So Revan > ROTJ Luke but where is your proof that he is above Sidious or Yoda ? You don't have it. Then don't assume stuff like that.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree.
And I have already said that I know realise that 'G-Canon: Lucas' own words.......N-Canon: Not canon' is the policy of these forums and I have since been following that policy. However KOTOR (being C canon) does not dispute a higher form of canon because what it is disputing is an in-universe explanation.
Originally posted by Count Kent
And I have already said that I know realise that 'G-Canon: Lucas' own words.......N-Canon: Not canon' is the policy of these forums and I have since been following that policy. However KOTOR (being C canon) does not dispute a higher form of canon because what it is disputing is an in-universe explanation.
The canon policy isn't the policy of this forum - it was created by Lucasfilm to keep the continuity of the SW universe in line. Meaning this is the official SW canon policy.
And this canon policy says that only the main story line of the games (including background information) is C-Canon. Does the main story line of KotoR (Revan's search for the Star Forge) make it necessary to talk to any Hutt or force persuade them ? The answer is: No.
So this event (if it even happens) isn't part of the C-Canon but either S-Canon or N-Canon making it less valueable then the information handed out in serveral C-Canon sources.
And even if that wouldn't be the case it would proof nothing because force persuation says nothing about the fighting abilities of a person or I can say that those Hutts were young or especially weak-minded. So what ? Revan isn't the strongest here...
Hutts, Toydarians, Yinchorri, and a few of their related species.
It is the policy of the forum, Nai, in addition to George Lucas's policy. 😗
And regardless of whether or not you consider the scene C-Canon or lower, you're still wrong, Kent. You can't use Force persuasion, as Nai and Kamikz have pointed out, in that part of the game when talking to the Hutt.