ROTS Tyranus vs. ROTS Anakin and ROTJ Luke

Started by Count Kent15 pages

Yoda and Palpatine as of ROTS were completely equal. Saber skills, saber mastery, raw force power, force mastery, force control and knowledge in the force.

Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
Dooku was on par with Mace and Mace was on par with Yoda.

So your tellin' me Mace/Yoda =/<Anakin
Thats what your sayin' when you say Dooku<Anakin

I don't use math logic for SW battle prediction. It's often faulty and it is just plain retarded. Also, I believe that Mace and Yoda wouldn't have too much trouble beating Dooku. Anakin however, would have trouble with Mace and Yoda.
Either way, you may not ever post again, mister.
Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
I'm not forcing my opinion on you dumbf*ck. I'm just saying he is a smug son of a b!tch. . .Anakin would beat anyone? Hey everybody look at the fanboy. . .
I hope with all my heart that you aren't a Tyrannus fanboy, Pyro Tyrannus. I would lose all my respect for you.. Oh, the humanity!

Originally posted by overlord
I don't use math logic for SW battle prediction. It's often faulty and it is just plain retarded. Also, I believe that Mace and Yoda wouldn't have too much trouble beating Dooku. Anakin however, would have trouble with Mace and Yoda.
Either way, you may not ever post again, mister.
I hope with all my heart that you aren't a Tyrannus fanboy, Pyro Tyrannus. I would lose all my respect for you.. Oh, the humanity!

Lol. . .

Dude, let's completely compare Dooku and Anakin in terms of combat abilities. Bare in mind that most of this is my opinion with logical deduction and supported assumptions based on facts and feats.

Dooku had more raw force power then Anakin (shown in his force battles with Yoda), had a higher mastery of the force then Anakin and more control (this is shown when he is simultaneously able to lift Obi-Wan with a force choke, Anakin with a force lift and then chuck both of them in opposite directions at the same time - great use of telekenesis) and more knowledge in the force (his dark side force techniques and sith dark arts grant him many different powers as well as his decades of being a jedi). Anakin may have had more potential in terms of the force, but his fullfillement of it by the time of ROTS was not enough to suggest that he was stronger in the force then Dooku.

Dooku has shown greater skill with a saber, being able to stand up against Mace and Dooku, and his style (one handed variation of Makashi) has been shown to be extremely superior (great at combining offensive force powers with saber skills).

So it seems Dooku owns Anakin in all ways.

Originally posted by Count Kent
Dude, let's completely compare Dooku and Anakin in terms of combat abilities. Bare in mind that most of this is my opinion with logical deduction and supported assumptions based on facts and feats.

Dooku had more raw force power then Anakin (shown in his force battles with Yoda), had a higher mastery of the force then Anakin and more control (this is shown when he is simultaneously able to lift Obi-Wan with a force choke, Anakin with a force lift and then chuck both of them in opposite directions at the same time - great use of telekenesis) and more knowledge in the force (his dark side force techniques and sith dark arts grant him many different powers as well as his decades of being a jedi). Anakin may have had more potential in terms of the force, but his fullfillement of it by the time of ROTS was not enough to suggest that he was stronger in the force then Dooku.

Dooku has shown greater skill with a saber, being able to stand up against Mace and Dooku, and his style (one handed variation of Makashi) has been shown to be extremely superior (great at combining offensive force powers with saber skills).

So it seems Dooku owns Anakin in all ways.

Nice post. For once I have to agree with you, well done. 😄

Other than the fact that he lost to him.....

You shouldn't try to establish something as absolute solely on judging an individual event.

What proof is there that Anakin is weaker than Dooku?

Dooku was weaker than Mace, Sidious, Yoda, and Anakin by ROTS. He was no longer so strong compared to everyone else.

No concrete proof. However it was obvious and heavily implied.

Wtf! Dooku was weaker than Sids and Yoda. But they are like the best of the best. Mace was not better than Dooku so you can get that out of your head right now. And Anakin got lucky and had many factors aiding him in his ROTS fight e.g Dooku not trying to kill him. In a fair one on one match Dooku would beat Anakin.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Wtf! Dooku was weaker than Sids and Yoda. But they are like the best of the best. Mace was not better than Dooku so you can get that out of your head right now. And Anakin got lucky and had many factors aiding him in his ROTS fight e.g Dooku not trying to kill him. In a fair one on one match Dooku would beat Anakin.

Anakin beat Dooku fair and square. Even Palpatine said "Soon I shall have a new apprentice one far younger and more powerful."

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Anakin beat Dooku fair and square. Even Palpatine said "Soon I shall have a new apprentice one far younger and more powerful."

Anakin hardly won 'fair and square'. For starters it was two on one. Dooku wasnt there to kill Anakin. He spent alot of the duel taunting Anakin. And Dooku didnt use the force once on Anakin. So these prove to me that the scales were tipped in Anakins favor.

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
I'm not forcing my opinion on you dumbf*ck. I'm just saying he is a smug son of a b!tch. . .Anakin would beat anyone? Hey everybody look at the fanboy. . .
It's not a matter of opinion it's you going against what the creator said.And seeing how well Dooku did against Yoda and how badly Anakin beat Dooku yes I think he could win.In raw brute force strength a focused Anakin is stronger than everyone.

Originally posted by DePWNZOR
Obviously you are a Mace fanboy.....
Anyway, Dooku just fries both of the Skywalkers and wins.

I agree Mace>Palpatine in saber skills. But YODA?! Wtf...

Amen.

With pure force Yoda blew palpys Lightsaber Away

RotJ Luke is an amazing prodigy in the Force and with a lightsaber, but I do think that Count Dooku would defeat him, simply because of his lack of experience. But I do think it would be difficult.

Especially if Vader is 80% of ANH Palpatine. If Dooku is more than that, it's not by much.

Anakin, on the other hand, is better than Dooku as it is. These two, together, would defeat him - though Luke does have a chance of dying.

Originally posted by Count Kent
Dude, let's completely compare Dooku and Anakin in terms of combat abilities. Bare in mind that most of this is my opinion with logical deduction and supported assumptions based on facts and feats.

Dooku had more raw force power then Anakin (shown in his force battles with Yoda), had a higher mastery of the force then Anakin and more control (this is shown when he is simultaneously able to lift Obi-Wan with a force choke, Anakin with a force lift and then chuck both of them in opposite directions at the same time - great use of telekenesis) and more knowledge in the force (his dark side force techniques and sith dark arts grant him many different powers as well as his decades of being a jedi). Anakin may have had more potential in terms of the force, but his fullfillement of it by the time of ROTS was not enough to suggest that he was stronger in the force then Dooku.

Dooku has shown greater skill with a saber, being able to stand up against Mace and Dooku, and his style (one handed variation of Makashi) has been shown to be extremely superior (great at combining offensive force powers with saber skills).

So it seems Dooku owns Anakin in all ways.

This is the crap I'm talking about.

First, it was with the EU debate. Then, Darth Revan being the most powerful Sith Lord ever. Then, Mace Windu being more powerful in lightsaber abilities and more powerful in the Force than Yoda. And now, Dooku has more raw Force-power than Anakin?

Are you insane?

Dooku does not have more raw power than Anakin. However, at the time of ROTS, Dooku is still more powerful than Anakin, who had not reached his potential but was still very skilled and powerful himself.

Revan isn't the most powerful Sith Lord ever...that's ridiculous.

Windu isn't better than Yoda. Sidious is on par with Windu, Yoda and Dooku are better than Windu... *shrug* Not that hard.

Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
Amen.

With pure force Yoda blew palpys Lightsaber Away

Dunno if you saw the movie, but "Palpy" blew Yoda's lightsaber away too. 😉

Plus we dunno what actually happened to Palatine's lightsaber, He could have just put it away and decided to throw pods. Its not in the movie (and though the script may say he did) its not in the movie, and the movie is highest canon...

Scripts are on par with movies, but I haven't read the script, so I don't care. ermm

Well, they kinda are. Scenes that are in the script that didn't make it into the final movie are not a true reflection of what Lucas wanted the movie to be. They are rather idea's that Lucas once had, but deemed pointless, or unusable, etc. etc.

So the only TRUE vision of Star Wars is the movie "...and the movie(s) alone." Because thats what Lucas wanted it to be. Had he wanted the unfilmed, deleted, or edited scenes to make it into the movie then they would be there. Since they aren't however, they aren't a true reflection of what he wanted. They are much like the novelisations of the movies.