ROTS Tyranus vs. ROTS Anakin and ROTJ Luke

Started by Sexyback15 pages

Originally posted by Gideon
No.

You've completely ignored six months of discussion and argument on the issue, haven't you?

The arguments have been ultimately flawed.

RotJ Luke may die (if Dooku has enough time to kill him before Anakin engages him)

If Dooku tries his hardest, and plays it properly, he'll dispose of Luke in seconds (Anakin can't prevent that). There's no way Luke survives this one.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The novelization, from Dooku's own POV, how's that for ya?

The novelisation fight scene is invalid, try again.

No it isn't. According to Leland Chee, narrative, thoughts and ideas are valid.

No contradictions in that part of the fight.

Sorry

I don't know why you always try to argue "quotes!", lol. Nine times out of ten, you end up looking like a moron. It's up to you to prove that Dooku is "obviously superior!" to Anakin when he was the one who ended up losing his head and disintigrating when Invisible Hand's wreckage crashed through the atmosphere.

No it isn't. According to Leland Chee, narrative, thoughts and ideas are valid.

No contradictions in that part of the fight.

Sorry

There are many actions inside the fightscenes that contradicts the movies, and are therefor rendered invalid. The thing is, rendering any aspect of the fightscene invalid actually renders the entire fightscene invalid. Why? Every action that takes place in a swordfight (every movement, every strike, every parry etc.) leads into another action. Everything that happens is dependant on what happens just before it. So when you break a chain, in other words when any aspect (can be minor as hell) of an entire fight is changed, it results in a chain reaction where everything after it is altered, resulting in a change in the eventual result.
^That is why any minor contradiction in a fightscene renders the entire fightscene invalid.

*Yawn* So what? The scene I expressely refer to has no contradictions.
Sorry! But Leland Chee, the guy in charge of canon says otherwise....whoops!

LS, you may as well be talking to a wall. Why does anyone waste their time with him? He argues for the sake of pissing people off, especially when he knows he's wrong.

Dooku is in fact inferior to Anakin, that's why he died in a matter of seconds, not because of some hidden agenda, or plan by Palps, he lost cause he sucks compared to Anakin, the chosen one. Get over it. You have lost.

Everyone sucks compared to the chosen one. Dont just single Dooku out.😬

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
LS, you may as well be talking to a wall. Why does anyone waste their time with him? He argues for the sake of pissing people off, especially when he knows he's wrong.

Dooku is in fact inferior to Anakin, that's why he died in a matter of seconds, not because of some hidden agenda, or plan by Palps, he lost cause he sucks compared to Anakin, the chosen one. Get over it. You have lost.

It's funny, every time I actually try and start being civil, you just appear out of nowhere whining like a little b1tch. Was getting continuously owned by me that humiliating that you have to attack everything I say? I'm guessing it was, now please, quit being a wasteman and go back to writing some rap lyrics (lol!).

I still think that if Tyrannus and Anakin were to rematch Tyrannus would try to overpower Anakin with the force from a far much like when he approached Yoda in AotC.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I still think that if Tyrannus and Anakin were to rematch Tyrannus would try to overpower Anakin with the force from a far much like when he approached Yoda in AotC.

Is that right? Nice theory. However, it was only after he engaged Anakin in combat did he come to respect him. Dooku was always aware of Yoda's prowess and abilities, which is a likely reason why he engaged him in Force combat first.

Or, an even more likely reason, he simply wanted to show Yoda how powerful he became.

Originally posted by Gideon
Is that right? Nice theory. However, it was only after he engaged Anakin in combat did he come to respect him. Dooku was always aware of Yoda's prowess and abilities, which is a likely reason why he engaged him in Force combat first.

Or, an even more likely reason, he simply wanted to show Yoda how powerful he became.

So taking from what you just said. Dooku respects him now(****, he better he was killed by him wasn't he) and will engage him with the force and will prevail. Luke is already out of the battle just like Kenobi was.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
So taking from what you just said. Dooku respects him now(****, he better he was killed by him wasn't he) and will engage him with the force and will prevail. Luke is already out of the battle just like Kenobi was.

Yeah, I'm not thinking you understand. Unless the circumstances of the fight are "Dooku returns from the dead after his defeat in RotS", it is simply a versus duel. Meaning that they have the same mentality that they have before their deaths. Otherwise, anyone could win any duel.

Dooku has an extremely arrogant method of fighting. He despises Anakin and considers him inferior. Given that Dooku's primary method of fighting was with lightsabers, why would he attempt to engage Anakin with the Force?

One thing Gideon, have you somewhat accepted that Dooku has the ability to win, just that he wouldn't necessarily know better to utilise his tools of victory?

Originally posted by Sexyback
One thing Gideon, have you somewhat accepted that Dooku has the ability to win, just that he wouldn't necessarily know better to utilise his tools of victory?

Somewhat accepted?

I've always argued that Count Dooku is the more powerful Force user. It is highly possible that he could defeat Anakin in a combat situation with it - but chances are, he wouldn't due to his arrogance and general disposition towards Anakin.

By which time, Anakin will crush him in a lightsaber duel.

But these threads usually argue who has the capabilities to win, and not who would win in a given scenario.

Depends on whether or not a scenario is given.

I would put my money on Dooku; Dooku was able to face off against Skywalker and Kenobi simultaneously, while Luke is not as powerful a partner as Kenobi, and Kenobi was rendered fodder by Dooku as it is.

Anakin is more than capable of handling Dooku's crinckled balls. With Luke, it's annihilation.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Anakin is more than capable of handling Dooku's crinckled balls. With Luke, it's annihilation.

At least Dooku has balls. Unlike your wet dream Vader. 😐

My ever popular saying...

The best fighter does not always win.